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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 1:51:44 PM
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I have a hard time imagining that race won't sneak in there somewhere. We've come a long way since the 60's, but we haven't quite arrived at where we need to be.
And we never will as long as racism is cried everytime we don't give a minority a position that they feel "entitled" to. Until we start hiring the best person for a job regardless of color we will remain stagnant.
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 1:52:29 PM
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what i find racist is that a white person can't be appointed to a position in Alaska without the natives getting up in arms. If the arguement that a position was held by a native Alaskan for 25years is valid in preventing a white person from holding that office would it be ok to say that since the presidency of the US has been held by white males for the past couple hundred years only white males need apply? Was the white person appointed to the post capable of doing the job? If so then what does it matter their color?
I don't think that the people were racist. It's mroe about having proper representation. If most of your people are native Alaskan and the only people representing you are white people, then yes, one would feel a bit slighted. Just like republicans feel they aren't properly represented when there is a democratic congress and president. It's all about representation. I don't think they want a native Alaskan in there just for the heck of it.
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 1:52:41 PM
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good post. great point
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 1:53:08 PM
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I don't eat that suff!!!! Husband does.
I don't eat that either. A friend in elementary school used to bring those in his lunch bucket. I thought it was gross then, and in 40 years I've not yet changed my opinion.
Generally speaking, things that are involved in the digestion of other things shouldn't be used as food. It's just not right.
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 1:53:30 PM
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Is it racist to say that tacos, beans, rice, carnitas and barbacao is going to be available at a Mexican festival?
OK i just got done with lunch and i am hungry all over again, thanks.
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 1:56:39 PM
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I don't think that the people were racist. It's mroe about having proper representation.
So now a white person is incapable of representing the game board? Now that is racist. I could see if Palin appointed a White person over a native to the post of Native Alaskan affairs or something of that nature but any qualified person should be able to hold a government position, regardless of their color and for people to think otherwise is in fact racist. It is saying that because of race a person is incapable of doing a job, it don't get much more racist.
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 1:57:44 PM
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RC,
How dare you. chitterlings are the intestants. You kill the pig. Get out the intestants.(am I spelling that right). You first squeeze like a tube from one end to the other to get the dodo out then you slap it against a tree to try to get it even cleaner. Then you boil them and/or fry them up.
We serve those each year out our community day. It's the best seller.
I don't eat that suff!!!! Husband does.
I think you all know that I am white as is my husband. Believe it or not "fat back" is normal for us to use in our food. We don't drink beer. So I cannot speak to that.
We also raise our own hogs!!!!!
Just cannot cook up a pot of beans without a hunk of fat back.
There is an art to whipping fresh chitterlings on a tree, if you don't do it richt they wrap around the tree and cover you up with you know what.
Ask your husband to boil them first (to tenderize them), then throw them on a grill to crisp them up. MMMMMMMgood.
My wife leaves when I have my hunting buddies over for our annual chitterling feast at the first of deer season (coming up in about two weeks).
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 2:01:26 PM
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RC,
How dare you. chitterlings are the intestants. You kill the pig. Get out the intestants.(am I spelling that right). You first squeeze like a tube from one end to the other to get the dodo out then you slap it against a tree to try to get it even cleaner. Then you boil them and/or fry them up.
We serve those each year out our community day. It's the best seller.
I don't eat that suff!!!! Husband does.
I think you all know that I am white as is my husband. Believe it or not "fat back" is normal for us to use in our food. We don't drink beer. So I cannot speak to that.
We also raise our own hogs!!!!!
Just cannot cook up a pot of beans without a hunk of fat back.
There is an art to whipping fresh chitterlings on a tree, if you don't do it richt they wrap around the tree and cover you up with you know what.
Ask your husband to boil them first (to tenderize them), then throw them on a grill to crisp them up. MMMMMMMgood.
My wife leaves when I have my hunting buddies over for our annual chitterling feast at the first of deer season (coming up in about two weeks).
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I am sorry you have to wait two more weeks. I helped drag two bucks out of the woods last night.
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 2:06:55 PM
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Is it racist to say that tacos, beans, rice, carnitas and barbacao is going to be available at a Mexican festival?
I say we need to break bread more with each other and enjoy our various ethnic cuisines! That right there sounds really good. 
There's a lot of wisdom in that. We'd all be so much better off if we ate together more often.
Here's the truth - my church has so many potluck dinners that my son assumes that everytime I bake a pie we're having dinner at church. I think it's one of the biggest reasons that our church functions so well as a community.
God knew what he was doing when he instituted communion!
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 2:11:34 PM
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I don't think that the people were racist. It's mroe about having proper representation.
So now a white person is incapable of representing the game board? Now that is racist. I could see if Palin appointed a White person over a native to the post of Native Alaskan affairs or something of that nature but any qualified person should be able to hold a government position, regardless of their color and for people to think otherwise is in fact racist. It is saying that because of race a person is incapable of doing a job, it don't get much more racist.
No, I think you're missing the point there. Of course a white person is capable of respresenting the game board. The problem is one of perception - if a minority population feels that they do not have an equal voice, even the best white person will have trouble gaining the confidence of that group.
If you belong to a population that has historically been underrepresented or whose interests haven't always been adequately looked after in the past, then you will likely see inadequate representation even when the best possible non-minority person occupies the post.
It's not right, but it's true.
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 2:33:50 PM
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Wow, I am actually surprised Juneteenth is so widely celebrated. That's great!
I always thought it was a Texas holiday only. My wife always says I need to get out more.
Anyway, although I am very glad it is celebrated in Alaska - to rant about Sarah Palin and claim that "every other governor of Alaska" attended the celebration is a gross exaggeration if not an out right lie. Juneteenth has been officially celebrated in Alaska since 1996 only.
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 2:48:51 PM
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Wow, I am actually surprised Juneteenth is so widely celebrated. That's great!
I always thought it was a Texas holiday only. My wife always says I need to get out more.
Anyway, although I am very glad it is celebrated in Alaska - to rant about Sarah Palin and claim that "every other governor of Alaska" attended the celebration is a gross exaggeration if not an out right lie. Juneteenth has been officially celebrated in Alaska since 1996 only.
Me also Dubya, I was based out of Texas until 7 years ago and knew that Junteenth was a state celebration, based on the day the Texas blacks got freed, not at the same time as the rest in the US.
I was surprised that it is celebrated throughout the USA.
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 4:20:42 PM
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No, I think you're missing the point there. Of course a white person is capable of respresenting the game board. The problem is one of perception - if a minority population feels that they do not have an equal voice, even the best white person will have trouble gaining the confidence of that group.
so we should base our hiring on skin color stemming from others irrational perceptions?
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If you belong to a population that has historically been underrepresented or whose interests haven't always been adequately looked after in the past, then you will likely see inadequate representation even when the best possible non-minority person occupies the post.
It's not right, but it's true.
It is also not a good basis for hiring. It is in fact racist.
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 4:33:07 PM
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so we should base our hiring on skin color stemming from others irrational perceptions?
I wouldn't say their perceptions are irrational. There are a lot of people who are ashamed or just plain don't want to face the fact that there has been a history of racial oppression. Therefore a peoples' distrust in those that they feel have taken over in the Alaskan case, or in the African American case those that persecuted, or in the Native American case, those that took land, are based on a history and real life experience. Dirt was done and people don't forget. We can't blame them for being critical of misrepresentation.
If you were treated like some of the groups mentioned above, you'd have reservations about not being represented where laws concerning you and where you live will be made. The minority is just asking for a voice where they feel there is none on their behalf. Apparently there hasn't been any in a while. And whose to say that they can't choose someone from their community?
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It is also not a good basis for hiring. It is in fact racist.
I agree. But far too long has it been the basis for hiring the other way around. People forget, it wasn't THAT long ago before minorities began to be treated fairly. We still see echoes of that past today. Yes, I agree that it is in fact a form of racism.
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 4:40:27 PM
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it wasn't THAT long ago before minorities began to be treated fairly. We still see echoes of that past today. Yes, I agree that it is in fact a form of racism.
Yea about 50 years, it seems to me like it is about time to get over it.
The racism comes from the minority demanding that someone who will benefit directly from the decisions they will be making is on the board.
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 4:55:03 PM
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it wasn't THAT long ago before minorities began to be treated fairly. We still see echoes of that past today. Yes, I agree that it is in fact a form of racism.
Yea about 50 years, it seems to me like it is about time to get over it.
The racism comes from the minority demanding that someone who will benefit directly from the decisions they will be making is on the board.
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Sure, they'll get over it in 50 years after those on the doing the oppressing took hundreds of years to change their practices. Hmmmm. Hundreds of years compared to 50. Yeah. That should be fair. 
The fact is, people are getting over it. As the older generations pass away, there are fewer people who have actually experienced the racism of the past. But one can argue that there are enough people still around to remind us of that past and that we have not completely healed or come to a point where America is free of racism. I think it's a bit shortsighted to make comments like "get over it." People are still experiencing the effects of that racism today. You don't have wealthy white neighborhoods and poor black neighborhoods because black people chose to live poor. Racism said that blacks weren't allowed to even purchase good homes even if they had the means. Now those rich neighborhoods have become so exclusive that even middle-income people can't afford to live there. So, people see the effects everyday when they have to drive past those homes now worth 1.5 million to their neighborhood where the most expensive house is $100,000. It's a slap in the face. And yes, homes build wealth. I've done a lot more with the equity in my home than I could in a neighborhood where little to no equity exists. Businesses are started with equity, etc.
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 5:00:30 PM
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My concerns about Obama have absolutely NOTHING to do with race. They have to do with the fact that I believe that he is a socialist in the tradition of the Maoists of the 1960s which, at your age, you would have no clue about and probably even ridicule the very idea.
Obama will bring the change that Ayers has longed for his life where elitist socialists control the lives until there is no middle class. There are only party members and others, the priviledged rich and the outcast poor. You saw yourself how quickly an 'emergency' can turn a country on its head. And, under Obama, we will have emergency after emergency where "something must be done" and that 'something' will require just one more loss of one more freedom.
I have been watching this struggle since 1966 and I THOUGHT that Bill Ayers and his fellow radicals were going to go to their graves without ever realizing their dreams of taking over this country in a substantive way. But, the one thing that I've predicted from that day in 1966 when I learned of their plans to infiltrate the schools and push their madness on little children, has worked. So, now, what was 'radical left' in the 60s is now 'moderate' in the 2000s.
There is only one last chance to stop the Bill Ayers of the world from realizing their dream and that is to defeat Obama. To you this is a new election. To me it is a 42 year old election masked by a young face. I have watched every single year for these past 40 years to see if those that carried around Mao's Little Red book as they marched in the streets of DC would finally get their wish. If Obama wins, they will.
And, it won't be the Liberalism of Adam Clayton Powell or the grand vision of Martin Luther King. It will be the vision of C. Wright Mills, Herbert Marcuse, Abbie Hoffman and Huey Newton. What bound them wasn't race. It was Marxism and Maoism tranformed into the "New Left". And, that is where we find ourselves today... between the New Left (Progrssivism) and Constitutionalists (Conservatives).
That is why I appose Obama. For what he stands for... change that freedom loving people cannot afford.
I'm afraid that those of you seeing this as a racial election will find that it is not and never was about race. But, as a Christian, you will realize it too late for your children and grandchildren as you steal from their futures to get yours now from 'the government' that has nothing to give you.
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When all else fails, play the race card.
When all else fails, play the conspiracy card.  I would question whether based on those two incidents Palin has a problem with minorities. That's a leap of faith and really not indicative of someone's heart. I'm sure there are more political motives than racial. On the other hand, we all know that there are people who are outright fearful at the though of an African American president. It is my personal opinion that those people who were angry not just angry because McCain was loosing, they can't believe that he's loosing to a black man. The guy who exclaimed that he was mad said he wasn't mad about the economy. We can dress up it up however we want to. You can say it's the race card. The plain truth is, some people are scared for reasons other than politics. The status quo is about to change. The comfort level is about to change. We all know there are some people who are resistant to change. They don't want to be moved out of their comfort zone. I can understand that. And I have compassion for those people. I won't sit here and try to invalidate their fear. They have every right to be afraid whether I think it's rational or not. I can just acknowledge it.
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 5:09:24 PM
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My concerns about Obama have absolutely NOTHING to do with race. They have to do with the fact that I believe that he is a socialist in the tradition of the Maoists of the 1960s which, at your age, you would have no clue about and probably even ridicule the very idea.
First of all calm down. It's not that serious. If I mentioned your name, which I did not, then you have a right to defend yourself. Fact: there are people who are taking race into account. I SAW it on many news cast where people were candid about the reasons for their choices. And yes, a few of them believe most black people are socialists, if not all, no matter how ignorant it may sound. Therefore, in my opinion, this issue has a race component. That's all I was trying to convey. I didn't pull that out of thin air. Again, if I mentioned your name PLEASE show me.
Now, regarding everything else you wrote, that is YOUR opinion and YOU alone are entitled to it. I'm not bashing you over the head because I happen to disagree. Can you do the same and stop being so defensive?
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 5:11:06 PM
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 5:25:20 PM
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I wouldn't say their perceptions are irrational. There are a lot of people who are ashamed or just plain don't want to face the fact that there has been a history of racial oppression. Therefore a peoples' distrust in those that they feel have taken over in the Alaskan case, or in the African American case those that persecuted, or in the Native American case, those that took land, are based on a history and real life experience. Dirt was done and people don't forget. We can't blame them for being critical of misrepresentation.
If the white person put in the slot does not, themselves, have a history of misrepresenting the native interests then only their skin color is being used and to remove them from a job for it is irrational.
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I agree. But far too long has it been the basis for hiring the other way around. People forget, it wasn't THAT long ago before minorities began to be treated fairly. We still see echoes of that past today. Yes, I agree that it is in fact a form of racism.
Swinging the pendulum the other way fixes none of the past wrongs, only aids in maintaining division.
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 6:02:17 PM
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No, I think you're missing the point there. Of course a white person is capable of respresenting the game board. The problem is one of perception - if a minority population feels that they do not have an equal voice, even the best white person will have trouble gaining the confidence of that group.
so we should base our hiring on skin color stemming from others irrational perceptions?
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If you belong to a population that has historically been underrepresented or whose interests haven't always been adequately looked after in the past, then you will likely see inadequate representation even when the best possible non-minority person occupies the post.
It's not right, but it's true.
It is also not a good basis for hiring. It is in fact racist.
You're taking my point somewhere I did not intend it to go.
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RE: Sarah and Minorities - 10/14/2008 7:06:10 PM
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They have a thread on this topic here.
Yes we do. And Tricia's right, lets discuss the other issues in the appropriate One Stop.
Since this topic could be included in the Sarah Palin's Record On Native Alaskan Issues thread, I am closing this one. Please continue the discussion here
Thank you.
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