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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 3:27:31 PM
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rhippie
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Also would consider opening combat positions to females
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Sen. Barack Obama greeting U.S. soldiers
Presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama may not have drafted a woman to be his running mate, as his rival John McCain has, but he does believe that America's young women should be eligible for the military draft and possibly combat duty.
"I think that if women are registered for service … I think it will help to send a message to my two daughters that they've got obligations to this great country as well as boys do," said Obama in a debate last year.
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And the point is?? A great many conservatives also believe that if there is a draft then women should be eligible. Please notice that I said if there is a draft; I don't believe there should be a draft but that's a different topic.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 3:52:35 PM
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ekserekseez
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Also, I respect your service, but I have seen female Air Force recruits recently at Lackland AFB and it was clearly obvious that females train at a much lower standard than males. I know you are going to say rules can change... but it seems to me if you want to put women in combat positions they should meet the same physical standards as the men.
You are certainly right in this. I in no way advocate that ANY woman be put in combat, but that any FIT woman who meets the same criteria as men.
I am NOT advocating any "affirmative action" sort of lower standards for one group, such as women.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 5:06:52 PM
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I think we have two issues here:
(1) Women in combat, lower standards for women in the military, etc.
(2) Women in the draft
Two different (albeit loosely related) issues. Some people might be perfectly fine with women in combat, as long as they volunteer to be there. However, these same people might not want women to be drafted due to tearing them away from their children.
I agree with another poster who suggested that this is Obama's way of fear-mongering - getting people to oppose further activity in Iraq et al by proposing a more outrageous course of action.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 5:09:00 PM
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ekserekseez
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ta-mosquito:
Very excellent points, all of them. I agree that Obama is fear-mongering with this. And I agree that women in the military should meet the same standards as men.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 5:15:46 PM
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Stephanos
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I am a bit weird that I have no problem that IF we were to go back to a draft system, then I have no problem with women being drafted. I do not however think they should be in combat. There are so many other things that women can do OTHER than being in combat that is just as vital to the running of our military, that it is not even funny. I am not talking just about "nurses" or what not, either. If we place women in thsoe roles, then if we needed to, that would open up men to have to fight if necessary. I even would say that females in combat aviation may not be completely wrong...But women in combat on the ground...Our boys get messed up when they see their best friends, their brothers killed. What do you think it owuld be like if they saw their sister die before their eyes. And we wont even go into what would happen to female POW's. While all POW's are treated bad, what captors would do to women, esspecially american women, is not something we want to happen.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 6:14:07 PM
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I do not understand is why US does not have compulsory military service..it does not make sense because it is a democratic nation as all citizens are the same and must alist and go to the process...for exemple te begining of this year all males 18 years old had to present themselves..something like 1,6 millions teens..by the middle of selection it became 400k, than more tests the numbers were 90k teens to go to the 3 military needs.
In the case of military schools for seamen there are 4 and 1,700 vacancies and 30 thousand teens candidates competing for it..now particularly the Army who is the bigger and everywhere, is very attached to Brasilian teens, they have a connection going on for mor than 100 years as many young men "became men" after going throu the Army boot camps..  As there is an excess of people now the laws may change as mixed compulsory and voluntary.
When you have compulsory military services you may end up choosing the really best, I think..and many rebels,LOL.. do find out they enjoy military and go career of it while serving it. In my time women were not allowed to serve, now they can.
"I think we have two issues here:
(1) Women in combat, lower standards for women in the military, etc.
(2) Women in the draft "
The real combat situation is may be the reason the military here in US is voluntary...I think..
Plus anyone to combat must be well ready and fit.
"Our boys get messed up when they see their best friends, their brothers killed. What do you think it owuld be like if they saw their sister die before their eyes. And we wont even go into what would happen to female POW's. While all POW's are treated bad, what captors would do to women, esspecially american women, is not something we want to happen. "
That is tough indeed.
Women and girls in war zones are very much vulnerable since the world and wars came to the scene of reality. 
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 8:37:48 PM
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relady
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Personally, I rather like that we have a volunteer military. so does the military. However, I found out while visiting an army friend this weekend that the military is having serious "gang" issues due to the fact that the Bush administration has once again allowed judges to give criminals a choice of military service or jail. Of course, they take the service and take their "gang" mentality with them. It is becoming a serious issue. We need to be sending criminals to jail, not the military. But the military needs bodies -- however they can get them. My son tells me that gangs on aircraft carriers are commonplace. Ugly. Very ugly.
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It's bad enough for daddy to go away for a year, but mother too?!?!? Wake up, this is the norm right now for military families with two parents, and has been for the past 5 years. And while women don't necessarily fill traditional "combat" posts, to think they are out of danger when deployed would be absolutely naive.
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Selective service laws can be drafted to exempt the parents of young children. Absolutely. They could be drafted to be whatever they need to be. I think young women should have to register just like young men do.
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I can see women contributing with transportation, loading, inventory, cooking, supplies, fueling, logistics, intelligence, etc. They already do all these things. There are very few rates in the military that are not open to women. Submarines comes to mind, and possibly infantry. But there are plenty of women in Iraq who are serving side by side with the men and are in just as much danger.
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who serve and have served in combat situations (although these may not technically be "combat duty"). i wonder if those women received combat pay? They should.
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The whole issue of the draft is probably moot anyway, as many posters here have pointed out. The military doesn't want it, nor do most people. True, especially when a draft in today's military environment would actually only provide one thing -- infantry to be killed. Draftees would not get their pick of jobs as enlistees do, they would be shorter term duty designed to send them to fight and nothing else. And the military wants people who WANT to be there, not coerced into it.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 8:43:00 PM
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relady
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but it seems to me if you want to put women in combat positions they should meet the same physical standards as the men. On this I absolutely agree. If a woman cannot meet the standards, whatever they are, then she should not be in the position.
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I have seen female Air Force recruits recently at Lackland AFB and it was clearly obvious that females train at a much lower standard than males . Of course, I could make the standard joke that EVERYONE in the AF trains to lower standards.... 
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 8:58:08 PM
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LivingParadox
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So you are saying Obama wants to reinstate the draft?
Just wondering... because what would be the reason for even pondering this unless he's thinking about it. Maybe that way we can *indoctrinate* er, train our youth like the young communists.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 9:01:00 PM
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LivingParadox
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sings ..."Were in the Army now..."
In all seriousness, if my country need me I would go. But I really don't see the point of such a thing at this point and time. Men are physically stronger and generally make better soldiers -- that doesn't mean women can't be soldiers.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 10:20:27 PM
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relady
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So you are saying Obama wants to reinstate the draft? No, I think he's made the statement that he feels young women should have to register as our young men are required to do at age 18. I personally don't have a problem with that.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 10:33:27 PM
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LivingParadox
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So you are saying Obama wants to reinstate the draft? No, I think he's made the statement that he feels young women should have to register as our young men are required to do at age 18. I personally don't have a problem with that.
Unless you are too old, I believe you can even join right now if you are 18.
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