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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 10:38:59 AM
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LoyalGypsy
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Again, that's out of necessity, not out of ideology.
Exactly. As the article I linked to states,
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While there are many ways to serve in the Israeli army, it is vital that everyone who can serve, does. Nir said, "It's not like here (in America). You have the army just in case and (for) helping other countries in the world. In Israel, it's the army that keeps Israel."
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These youths feel that the army is vital to the preservation of Israel. "Israel is the only country in the world that can't afford losing in a battle, and maybe in a war. Because of its size and the world we live in, we can't afford losing even one time because we're gonna get a second Holocaust, and there won't be any Jewish people," Sagi said.
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Exactly. As the article I linked to states,
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While there are many ways to serve in the Israeli army, it is vital that everyone who can serve, does. Nir said, "It's not like here (in America). You have the army just in case and (for) helping other countries in the world. In Israel, it's the army that keeps Israel."
they are out numbered in the area
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 10:39:28 AM
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Exactly. As the article I linked to states...
My post was not intended to refute the article, only point out it agrees with my earlier post.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 10:42:46 AM
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JimboFletch
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I didn't read where they would be sending mothers off to war. How did you come to that conclusion?
See post # 15. Once a draft for women is instituted, it's the crack in the dam that can lead there.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 10:48:44 AM
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So you admit liberals are bent on destroying our country by taking away it's primary means of defence?
Not being a liberal, I've always admitted this.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 10:49:55 AM
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I didn't read where they would be sending mothers off to war. How did you come to that conclusion?
See post # 15. Once a draft for women is instituted, it's the crack in the dam that can lead there.
It can lead there but it won't. For one thing, there is the problem of single mothers. A draft that included all mothers would create a monumental orphan problem. I'm not sure the government is willing to go there. I don't think conservatives or liberals would support that.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 10:52:18 AM
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I've got a great idea. Let's send the weakest, shortest, lightest and slowest to combat. It's a great idea if you want to increase the death rate of women. They will be wounded in greater numbers, killed more often than men, and kill the enemy less often. And when they're captured, they will be raped. What a barbaric idea.
If you honestly believed this, then you would test for size, speed, strength, dexterity, etc. regardless of gender. Maybe women are stronger than men ON AVERAGE; that doesn't mean that all women are weaker than all men.
And guess what? Men get raped all the time. As people who have seen combat (as I have), or anyone who has worked in corrections.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 10:54:03 AM
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And guess what? Men get raped all the time. As people who have seen combat (as I have), or anyone who has worked in corrections.
Do they get pregnant too?
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 10:55:09 AM
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I've got a great idea. Let's send the weakest, shortest, lightest and slowest to combat. It's a great idea if you want to increase the death rate of women. They will be wounded in greater numbers, killed more often than men, and kill the enemy less often. And when they're captured, they will be raped. What a barbaric idea.
If you honestly believed this, then you would test for size, speed, strength, dexterity, etc. regardless of gender. Maybe women are stronger than men ON AVERAGE; that doesn't mean that all women are weaker than all men.
And guess what? Men get raped all the time. As people who have seen combat (as I have), or anyone who has worked in corrections.
I can see women contributing with transportation, loading, inventory, cooking, supplies, fueling, logistics, intelligence, etc. There are plenty of non-combat work that's done in war.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 10:57:44 AM
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Do they get pregnant too?
No, but they often get AIDS.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 11:27:17 AM
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I've got a great idea. Let's send the weakest, shortest, lightest and slowest to combat. It's a great idea if you want to increase the death rate of women. They will be wounded in greater numbers, killed more often than men, and kill the enemy less often. And when they're captured, they will be raped. What a barbaric idea.
If you honestly believed this, then you would test for size, speed, strength, dexterity, etc. regardless of gender. Maybe women are stronger than men ON AVERAGE; that doesn't mean that all women are weaker than all men.
And guess what? Men get raped all the time. As people who have seen combat (as I have), or anyone who has worked in corrections.
You have a weak grasp on the application on such absurd ideas. The military already uses gender based testing. Women can't keep up with men, so they get lower standards to meet. And it isn't just physical standard, it's skill standards too.
Take the case of Kara Hultgreen, the poster babe for female carrier pilots. She was unqualified to land on a carrier, but she became a feminist cause and the navy kept her in the program while men of higher abilty were kicked out. She died in a crash. The navy tried to whitewash the accident and her training. They said that it was caused by engine failure.
Investigations eventually showed that she caused her plane crash by flying too slow.
Further investigations showed the breaks the navy gave her. They let her choose the planes she flew. She chose when she flew. And they covered up incredibly poor flying practices.
"Men get raped all the time." Equal opportunity rape is a sick excuse for putting women in such situations.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 11:36:39 AM
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It can lead there but it won't. For one thing, there is the problem of single mothers. A draft that included all mothers would create a monumental orphan problem. I'm not sure the government is willing to go there...
No offense, but that sounds a little naive. Equal risk and equal treatment is the mantra that drives the notion of drafting women.
Although, as noted earlier, it's a moot point now because nobody is willing to risk political suicide by instituting the draft. That is why reservists and repeat tours of active duty personnel have provided military in Iran. There's not nearly enough active duty military to carry on over there in just 1 or 2 two tours but there is no public support for the draft needed to do the job.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 12:26:17 PM
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Although, as noted earlier, it's a moot point now because nobody is willing to risk political suicide by instituting the draft. That is why reservists and repeat tours of active duty personnel have provided military in Iran. There's not nearly enough active duty military to carry on over there in just 1 or 2 two tours but there is no public support for the draft needed to do the job.
My point exactly. The real solution would be to create incentives for people to WANT to enlist, but that's not likely to happen either. All of the federal government's money is caught up in sponsoring socialism.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 12:34:24 PM
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The Russians fought two World Wars with women in their armed forces. The Israelis do it. I don't think it is a big deal.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 12:36:23 PM
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The Russians fought two World Wars with women in their armed forces. The Israelis do it. I don't think it is a big deal.
Neither do I, and neither do the many women I knew, and know, who serve and have served in combat situations (although these may not technically be "combat duty").
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 12:41:21 PM
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The Russians fought two World Wars with women in their armed forces. The Israelis do it. I don't think it is a big deal.
I don't suppose you know or care that there is was a huge difference in those two situations than ours. Old men and little boys fought the Union soldiers that marched into my hometown in the 1860s, but that's not to say it's grounds to draft either age group in normal times...
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It has nothing to do with equality - 10/14/2008 1:05:19 PM
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It has to do with making the thought of a military option even more repugnant to the population than it already is by widening the idea from young men going off to combat to young women going off to combat.
It is a PLOY to make the thought of capitulating to tyranny be the better option than standing up to it. It mirrors Charlie Rangles idea of reinstituting the draft for the specific idea of making military combat more repugnant to a wider socio-economic range.
But, what is really scary is Obama's sexist belief that women have not ALWAYS lived up to their obligations to this nation by raising children with character. It's sexist and it's demeaning to the critical role that parenthood plays in a strong society.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 1:17:10 PM
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I didn't read where they would be sending mothers off to war. How did you come to that conclusion?
See post # 15. Once a draft for women is instituted, it's the crack in the dam that can lead there.
It can lead there but it won't. For one thing, there is the problem of single mothers. A draft that included all mothers would create a monumental orphan problem. I'm not sure the government is willing to go there. I don't think conservatives or liberals would support that.
Liberals should to be consistent... Frankly I am surprised they are not clamoring for this already...
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 1:37:10 PM
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rlj
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It has to do with making the thought of a military option even more repugnant to the population than it already is by widening the idea from young men going off to combat to young women going off to combat.
It's obvious that our government doesn't like the draft anyway and that they would rather take volunteers (including women) and send them to wars for tour after tour after tour after tour. The left should be happy that they go because it is women in a war zone and the right should be happy because this is what they signed up for. The preference of our military leaders is to avoid drafts at all costs anyway.
Which has me thinking that there is something to what you said here:
It is a PLOY to make the thought of capitulating to tyranny be the better option than standing up to it. It mirrors Charlie Rangles idea of reinstituting the draft for the specific idea of making military combat more repugnant to a wider socio-economic range.
Though I can't help but wonder which socio-economic range is the draft not repugnant to?
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 1:40:52 PM
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Well I'm pro compulsory militar services for males at 18 years old, as happens in other countries, those countries are not even countries that goes to wars as US goes etc..some are both genders compulsory as Israel..others as Switzerland for males are compulsory and for females optional...
Now, because of the realities do differs, of course, many countries reality is that is just like a boot-camp as no one is going to wars..the resistence of teens is not about the possibilities of real conflicts consequences but the military organizational experiences etc many families in this situation do find a real blessing their kids experience that for so many reasons as food, shelter, education, straight up bad behaviours and many etc I had experience in that because I did live inside 2 navy school for 8 years full of males only teens serving etc. I do know this particular reality.
Now...the reality of US and the resistences here is way different and sure people do have strong positions reggarding drafts, compulsory and females in combat..
I did not even know that females does not go to combat in the US military..do they combat together with males or not?
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 1:50:08 PM
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The whole issue of the draft is probably moot anyway, as many posters here have pointed out. The military doesn't want it, nor do most people.
I was talking about this issue to my sister just a few minutes ago and she had another interesting observation about the reinstatement of the draft and its possible consequences, but it's off-topic so I'll save it for another thread.
As I said myself before, I would have no problem with compulsory service for both men and women. But Obama and other liberals don't really want to reinstate a draft; they have no regard for the military at all usually.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 2:55:11 PM
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As a former female veteran who served in Desert Storm/Shield, I am all for women signing up for the draft. I think some women are capable of serving in combat and if not in combat, there are many other support roles they could fill allowing more men to be in combat.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 3:11:22 PM
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As a former female veteran who served in Desert Storm/Shield, I am all for women signing up for the draft. I think some women are capable of serving in combat and if not in combat, there are many other support roles they could fill allowing more men to be in combat.
Most of the support roles though are filled by private contractors. If a woman wants to do any of those things they need to go work for Halliburton. : /
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 3:21:07 PM
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In Israel, you automatically serve in the military for three years out of high school, and then you've served your time. That's not the same thing as a draft, because it's not tearing apart families.
You're right, and this is even better. I'd go for universal conscription of everyone regardless of gender right after high school. Let's do it!
Do you have any idea of the cost??
This is the way Obama seems to make campaign pledges. (Not saying you support Obama).
Also, I respect your service, but I have seen female Air Force recruits recently at Lackland AFB and it was clearly obvious that females train at a much lower standard than males. I know you are going to say rules can change... but it seems to me if you want to put women in combat positions they should meet the same physical standards as the men.
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This ties in with your other thread about premarital sex vs. keeping the baby! 
