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Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 12:22:56 AM
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SILVERNAME
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Also would consider opening combat positions to females
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Posted: October 13, 2008
2:56 pm Eastern
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Sen. Barack Obama greeting U.S. soldiers
Presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama may not have drafted a woman to be his running mate, as his rival John McCain has, but he does believe that America's young women should be eligible for the military draft and possibly combat duty.
"I think that if women are registered for service … I think it will help to send a message to my two daughters that they've got obligations to this great country as well as boys do," said Obama in a debate last year.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 7:04:49 AM
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ekserekseez
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Why not? Israel does it, and they're are greatest and most reliable (and only) ally in the Middle East. Their military is a model of efficiency and courage for all other nations.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 7:46:16 AM
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It seems liberals are fascinated with killing as many of US as possible.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 7:47:31 AM
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ekserekseez
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I served in the Army for four years, and I have no problem with either a draft or with women in combat. US forces serve overseas alongside other nations' forces or UN troops, and many of these have women in combat roles, so American soldiers are used to the idea.
I know that some people have an ideological opposition to women in combat, but I'm not one of them. I've just never heard a good reason for it. Some of the best soldiers I've known were women: smart, strong, fast, skilled, and brave.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 8:05:00 AM
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I'm a conservative and I think the draft is an excellent idea for both men and women. I don't know when it came to be viewed as a "liberal" idea.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 8:23:35 AM
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If we are going to have a draft registry then I agree women should also be required to register.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 8:29:55 AM
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I'm a conservative and I think the draft is an excellent idea for both men and women. I don't know when it came to be viewed as a "liberal" idea.
Then you're a neo-conservative because many of us older conservatives are appalled at the idea. Sure they have 'em in Israel, but it's a matter of necessity to have a large enough military. But are we so desperate that we are okay with sending mothers off to war while grandparents or whomever raises the kids? It's bad enough for daddy to go away for a year, but mother too?!?!?
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 9:07:38 AM
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ekserekseez
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But are we so desperate that we are okay with sending mothers off to war while grandparents or whomever raises the kids? It's bad enough for daddy to go away for a year, but mother too?!?!?
Selective service laws can be drafted to exempt the parents of young children.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 9:13:35 AM
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ekserekseez
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Then you're a neo-conservative because many of us older conservatives are appalled at the idea.
Don't know about the "neo-conservative" part; I think McCain is a socialist. My grandfather is 103, and he supports drafting women for combat. Then again, he thinks that we should have nuked Teheran in 1979.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 9:28:29 AM
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Why not? Israel does it, and they're are greatest and most reliable (and only) ally in the Middle East. Their military is a model of efficiency and courage for all other nations.
In Israel, you automatically serve in the military for three years out of high school, and then you've served your time. That's not the same thing as a draft, because it's not tearing apart families.
Here's an article explaining how it works. LINK
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 9:36:50 AM
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In Israel, you automatically serve in the military for three years out of high school, and then you've served your time. That's not the same thing as a draft, because it's not tearing apart families.
You're right, and this is even better. I'd go for universal conscription of everyone regardless of gender right after high school. Let's do it!
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 9:43:33 AM
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But are we so desperate that we are okay with sending mothers off to war while grandparents or whomever raises the kids? It's bad enough for daddy to go away for a year, but mother too?!?!?
Selective service laws can be drafted to exempt the parents of young children.
You trust the government to do that?
FWIW, the draft during the Viet Nam era originally exempted married men. Then it only exempted married men with children. Finally, marriage had nothing to do with an exemption.
Once the door is opened to drafting women, Congress has free rein to draft without exception for children.
Otherwise, it wouldn't be fair to men with children.
And that's the liberal & neocon view: men & women are for all practical purposes the same thing with slightly different reproductive organs...
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 9:48:03 AM
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In Israel, you automatically serve in the military for three years out of high school, and then you've served your time. That's not the same thing as a draft, because it's not tearing apart families.
You're right, and this is even better. I'd go for universal conscription of everyone regardless of gender right after high school. Let's do it!
Of course you can get an exemption as a conscientious objector, and you also do not have to be in a combat position if you'd rather do something else. Both of my parents were in the Air Force before I was born, and they are both Vietnam vets although neither saw combat. My mom was a computer programmer and my dad helped load airplanes.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 9:49:41 AM
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In Israel, you automatically serve in the military for three years out of high school, and then you've served your time. That's not the same thing as a draft, because it's not tearing apart families.
Again, that's out of necessity, not out of ideology.
What's left out of that equation is that, after 3 years active duty, men serve in the ready reserve until they are 55 years old - and must be able to mobilize within 48 hours of a national crisis. That means they are essentially wedded to the military for most of their productive working years.
How appealing does that sound to you?
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 9:52:17 AM
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Again, that's out of necessity, not out of ideology.
Exactly. As the article I linked to states,
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While there are many ways to serve in the Israeli army, it is vital that everyone who can serve, does. Nir said, "It's not like here (in America). You have the army just in case and (for) helping other countries in the world. In Israel, it's the army that keeps Israel."
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These youths feel that the army is vital to the preservation of Israel. "Israel is the only country in the world that can't afford losing in a battle, and maybe in a war. Because of its size and the world we live in, we can't afford losing even one time because we're gonna get a second Holocaust, and there won't be any Jewish people," Sagi said.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 9:53:17 AM
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What's left out of that equation is that, after 3 years active duty, men serve in the ready reserve until they are 55 years old - and must be able to mobilize within 48 hours of a national crisis. That means they are essentially wedded to the military for most of their productive working years.
Is that just the men?
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 10:01:54 AM
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ekserekseez
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Well, we wouldn't have to follow Israel or any country's model. We would create draft policies that work for us. I just don't see what's wrong with drafting women for combat. I don't see where it's a "neo-con" view of reproductive organs, as an earlier poster said.
And the liberal push for a draft is just a cheap, bogus political ploy. Liberals don't actually want a draft; most of them don't even want a military at all. Obama is playing a political game rather than stating what he actually believes.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 10:08:18 AM
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Consecrated2God
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We would create draft policies that work for us.
I think the ones we already have work just fine.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 10:18:57 AM
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God never forced women to enroll in the army. It was only men. I trust what God did and believe there are reasons far greater than may of us may suspect for God keeping women out of His military.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 10:29:04 AM
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Liberals don't actually want a draft; most of them don't even want a military at all.
So you admit liberals are bent on destroying our country by taking away it's primary means of defence?
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 10:29:16 AM
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I've got a great idea. Let's send the weakest, shortest, lightest and slowest to combat. It's a great idea if you want to increase the death rate of women. They will be wounded in greater numbers, killed more often than men, and kill the enemy less often. And when they're captured, they will be raped. What a barbaric idea.
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RE: Obama believes women should register for draft - 10/14/2008 10:30:09 AM
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I'm a conservative and I think the draft is an excellent idea for both men and women. I don't know when it came to be viewed as a "liberal" idea.
Then you're a neo-conservative because many of us older conservatives are appalled at the idea. Sure they have 'em in Israel, but it's a matter of necessity to have a large enough military. But are we so desperate that we are okay with sending mothers off to war while grandparents or whomever raises the kids? It's bad enough for daddy to go away for a year, but mother too?!?!?
I didn't read where they would be sending mothers off to war. How did you come to that conclusion? Personally, I would draft prisoners before I would draft women. I couldn't fathom the idea of my daughter being called to service while some knucklehead sits in prison getting 3 meals per day and recreation time.
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