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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 11:45:20 AM
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phreddy
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I think Bill Clinton provided the position of president enough charisma and likability to last it at least 50 years.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 11:46:22 AM
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what is mccain promising and where will he get the money to pay for his promises?
did he say he wanted to buy a house for every citizen?? or just help each homeowner out with their mortgage?
1. Economic Plan
2. Homeownership Resurgence Plan
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 12:51:27 PM
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The root of the economics crisis is Carter administration. It became worse at the end of the Clinton administration and exploded on us in the Bush administration.
Trying to say its a republican cause problem is simply false. Government stepping into places where it had no business is what caused this problem. Both parties are at fault.
Saying "Bush Politics" - can you explain this term to me. I hear it often but to date no one seems to know what that means or how it's good or bad.
McCain wants to end the war in victory and help stabelize the area. Obama want to quit and allow the area to be taken over by people who hate our own country and would love to nuke us off the face of the earth.
I'm just curious about how you trace that line of thought-here's why:
The Nixon administration is probably the one U.S. presidential administration that had the MOST direct impact on economic matters of recent memory when it did away with the U.S. compliance with the Bretton Woods accords and took the U.S. off of the gold standard in the early 70's. The result of that change was one of the highest levels of inflation in American history-Mr. Nixon choose to combat that with the "Whip Inflation Now" program (WIN). It was Mr. Nixons executive order alone that caused the U.S. to no longer redeem American dollars for gold. THAT one act had incredible impact on the U.S. economy-Mr. Carter really just dealt with the aftermath of that all-he made no appreciable economic moves positive or negative.
Mr. Nixon really had no choice (other than letting the U.S. become bankrupt) than to take the U.S. off the gold standard because of a run on gold from around the world. That one move is what set the stage for the "bubbles" of today-without a hard currency to base anything upon, "dollars" have been based upon the "full faith and credit" of the United States government. That alone is what has allowed "unprecedented economic growth" ala the Regan administration where deficit spending became the rule of the day-the understanding at the adminsitration level was that the "debts" would never need to be repaid as long as the U.S. remained the dominant world power.
Mr. Clinton really only presided over his share of this new scheme as well, but was rewarded with an unknown and unexpected bubble-the technology bubble of the last 90's which poured billions in government coffers. Instead of congress responsibly using those "surpluses" (which were never surpluses to begin with but simply less of a deficit than we'd had previously) and changing tactics to begin paying back some of our mounting debts to the world, administrations have continued to operate in the world that Mr. Nixon made for us when he told us that it was not necessary for the U.S. to pay real debts with real money. To be quite honest, Mr. Nixon's ending of the fixed range of currency trade really planted the seeds for the turmoil that we are seeing today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_Agreement
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 3:17:55 PM
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I have to admit that I was completely surprised by this.
Negative campaigning ALWAYS seems to work, so I thought McCain would have pulled even with Obama by now.
But to the contrary, in the weeks since McCain has started attacking Obama, McCain's numbers have tanked while Obama's lead has stayed steady.
I'm not sure why fear and smear isn't working this time, but I imagine it's the economy and the fact that raising Ayers just makes McCain look like he's desperately trying to win as oppossed to talking about things that matter.
An abc news poll released today has this to say:
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McCain had tried to overcome sliding poll numbers by aggressively attacking the Illinois senator, but the Washington Post/ABC News poll indicates that the pit-bull style may have worked against McCain and Palin.
It found that 59 percent accused McCain of negative campaigning, while 35 percent said McCain is addressing the issues.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=6020160&page=1
So I think McCain's new strategy of going for the throat has been a resounding failure with basically everyone except the hard right. If he still wants to win he's going to have to ditch the guilt by association stuff and start trying to attack Obama on the economy. The economy is now Obama's perceived strong point if you go by the polls, so it's been incredibly damaging for McCain to waste the past few weeks hammering on old news like Ayers when he could have been using that time to attack Obama on the economy while touting his own proposals.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 3:20:58 PM
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Blurb from AOL news today -
Several Republicans, who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid angering McCain, said the campaign should have sought to plant doubts about Obama's associations with 1960s-era radical William Ayers and others months ago, rather than waiting until the campaign's final weeks. Doing so now, they said, makes the 72-year-old McCain come off as angry, grouchy and desperate, playing into Democrats' hands.
Thats why some of us want to vote for obama.... mccain is just not likelable, will continue 8 more years of bush politics, and wants to continue war, and since he is with the Republican party which we associate with this economic mess, we dont like mccain.
Can you give a reason why you like mccain? or dislike mccain?
I heard on the weekend, one commentator say "when your drowning in the sea, you dont care who throws you a lifeline - beit a muslim, or an atheist, or whomever"
we are drowning in the sea of Republican politics! we want out!
I don't like both candidates they are not my candidate..I cannot "grab or get" Mr Obama ways reggarding the church he attended for so long, still..as I do not buy Mr McCain maverick propaganda and inconsistences..they are both not my choice at all.
To my perceptions its all lack consistence, the system is broken, it seems everybody is shouting whatever based on their self interests. In the end of the day and when election comes and one of them sit in that chair it is business as usual..blame game and the machine goes on as usual, whatever usual means to keep the status quo..they may preach change or reforms but it does not work because their partisan politics is meant to stuck the process..not much get done because % parties as majority and minority etc ...they mess up, take no responsability, blame one another, have no loyalty to those they are called to serve, but just play games.
I am from the old school of real leaders, born to lead and I the naturaly feeling in my guts when exercising it is natural call to some just to be one, as I do reject the self proclaimed ones putting shows around etc..I did learn in my family and the consistence, honesty transparence of imperfect men of passion and leadership, I did not learn by make believe personage but the real thing and the admiration to have a Dad and Grandpas around influencing not only my little world as a kid but those they were in contact inspiring, influencing also many others..they were natural born comanders, they were the real thing.
Specific about US standings and the familiarity and position that I may claim to myself, as having anything in commom with me about this nation, I take from a man in the past, heart felt sentiments, as it was true then but not anymore. It s a blessing it was a genuine and I like genuine authentic expressive particularly coming from the fresh soul who does know the Lord and cannot help but love Him with all there is inside out..I take from an immigrant as me, Mr Winthop's original City On the Hill sermon..
"For we must consider that we shall be as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us. So that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken… we shall be made a story and a by-word throughout the world. We shall open the mouths of enemies to speak evil of the ways of God… We shall shame the faces of many of God's worthy servants, and cause their prayers to be turned into curses upon us til we be consumed out of the good land whither we are a-going".
Oh..even the location as Massachusetts Bay Colony is where I too land on the US as my first residency and my home, an was born again years later there..as Mr. Winthrop I too felt in love with this land, my new community and that I am a Bostonian by heart adoption. And it just make sense to me to favor the original sentiments of what this nation real beginings were and what some individuals did stand for...I do stand with the originator of the sermon and that original message.
Conclusion...  LOL...
I do not embrace or like any of the present candidates, they are not representing me.
Thanks..
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 3:25:43 PM
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ME TOO.!! they are not my choices.
everyone who is voting for mccain coz he is pro-life... i wonder if he will disappoint anyone on that, and i hope that people who vote for mccain will vote for other issues they like about him.
nevertheless, about half the people will be happy come nov 5th and half will be miserable.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 4:12:52 PM
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700 billion?
That's 700 years of Social security, 700 years of medicare, every family in America could have had a house for that kinda of money.
If we used the money to build every family in America a house wouldn't the price of houses skyrocket? I would think the supply would fall hopelessly behind the demand.
I'd love to have everyone in America be well off but I think its impossible. The definition of well off changes when more people meet the standard. The goal posts move so to speak.
When Jesus said the poor will be with you always I don't think it was just symbolic or philosophical. It is an economic fact best I can tell. I'm not saying the current distribution is ideal but government interference usually makes things worse.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 4:21:26 PM
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So I think McCain's new strategy of going for the throat has been a resounding failure with basically everyone except the hard right. If he still wants to win he's going to have to ditch the guilt by association stuff and start trying to attack Obama on the economy. The economy is now Obama's perceived strong point if you go by the polls, so it's been incredibly damaging for McCain to waste the past few weeks hammering on old news like Ayers when he could have been using that time to attack Obama on the economy while touting his own proposals.
Looks like you are a little behind:
Obama's lead declines
Democratic Party presidential nominee Barack Obama slipped back into a statistical dead heat with Republican Party nominee John McCain, but still holds the advantage over McCain, the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby likely voter poll shows.
In this latest report, McCain gained eight-tenths of a point, while Obama lost one full point.
While the worldwide economic system underwent dramatic turmoil last week, the poll shows the presidential race remarkably unchanged overall at the end of the first full week of daily tracking. Through the week, Obama has always held a small lead, as large as 6.1 points (on Saturday) and as little as 1.9 points (last Wednesday).
I hope McCain and Palin keep pounding him, and pounding him.
And incidentally, I agree McCain isn't likeable; but this ain't no Miss Congeniality contest.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 4:47:30 PM
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I think Bill Clinton provided the position of president enough charisma and likability to last it at least 50 years.
It is always interesting to see how we the people judge a person who is running for office. Clinton had an uncanny ability to woo the crowds and had favorable ratings with the public despite the way he treated people one on one ... especially women. Here was a man in inappropriate relationships with young women, and started the whole, "that's not real sex" line with our young people today. Many who have worked under him have stated he was not the kindest man in the world. Yet he is liked by the public.
And then you have John McCain who, since he started his candidacy, has been portrayed as a grumpy old man ... yet those who know him best, both Democrats and republicans, describe him as a very kind and generous man. He has donated his time and money to those who are less fortunate them himself and adapted a baby with special needs of another race. When he finds out an individual has a need, he privately takes them aside to listen and support that person ... he will deliberately avoid press when doing so. Here is a story told by the man who was a fellow prisoner with John McCain in adjacent cells. Here is another article describing quite a few things about the man not very many seem to know.
From what I have discerned of the man, he is a kind individual who has been transparent about the mistakes he has made in the past and has put into action those things he has learned form those mistake ... case in point the Keating Five. Out of that experience he has not only admitted to using poor judgment at the time, but has used that experience to drive him to correct the corruption that he saw in that situation and many others since then whenever he could. It changed the way he viewed Washington.
I need to go teach a class ... but just felt the need to add my 2 cents on the subject.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 5:05:16 PM
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8 years of giving to the rich needs to be over.
As if the rich just got there in the last eight...
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700 billion?
That's 700 years of Social security, 700 years of medicare, every family in America could have had a house for that kinda of money.
And many of them would re-fi themselves out of their home once again...
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We've been told we can't help women with children, no money.
When were WE told this?
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That money could have helped every woman with children in AMERICA.
Given it's solely their choice to have them they are solely responsible, correct?
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 5:10:01 PM
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ME TOO.!! they are not my choices.
everyone who is voting for mccain coz he is pro-life... i wonder if he will disappoint anyone on that, and i hope that people who vote for mccain will vote for other issues they like about him.
nevertheless, about half the people will be happy come nov 5th and half will be miserable.
So everyone that is voting for Obama is doing so because he's not pro-life?
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 5:28:00 PM
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ME TOO.!! they are not my choices.
everyone who is voting for mccain coz he is pro-life... i wonder if he will disappoint anyone on that, and i hope that people who vote for mccain will vote for other issues they like about him.
nevertheless, about half the people will be happy come nov 5th and half will be miserable.
That's only one reason actually. There are other issues like someone who is competent to be the Commander in Chief.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 5:30:43 PM
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ME TOO.!! they are not my choices.
everyone who is voting for mccain coz he is pro-life... i wonder if he will disappoint anyone on that, and i hope that people who vote for mccain will vote for other issues they like about him.
nevertheless, about half the people will be happy come nov 5th and half will be miserable.
So everyone that is voting for Obama is doing so because he's not pro-life?
No, I am saying that people want mccain coz he states he is pro-life. the abortion issue, as you see from the other topic is a hot issue. They dont want abortion to get worse, hence, they do not want obama re that issue.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/14/2008 9:27:15 AM
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So I think McCain's new strategy of going for the throat has been a resounding failure with basically everyone except the hard right. If he still wants to win he's going to have to ditch the guilt by association stuff and start trying to attack Obama on the economy. The economy is now Obama's perceived strong point if you go by the polls, so it's been incredibly damaging for McCain to waste the past few weeks hammering on old news like Ayers when he could have been using that time to attack Obama on the economy while touting his own proposals.
Looks like you are a little behind:
Obama's lead declines
Democratic Party presidential nominee Barack Obama slipped back into a statistical dead heat with Republican Party nominee John McCain, but still holds the advantage over McCain, the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby likely voter poll shows.
In this latest report, McCain gained eight-tenths of a point, while Obama lost one full point.
While the worldwide economic system underwent dramatic turmoil last week, the poll shows the presidential race remarkably unchanged overall at the end of the first full week of daily tracking. Through the week, Obama has always held a small lead, as large as 6.1 points (on Saturday) and as little as 1.9 points (last Wednesday).
I hope McCain and Palin keep pounding him, and pounding him.
And incidentally, I agree McCain isn't likeable; but this ain't no Miss Congeniality contest.
Yes, I'm aware of Zogby. It's the one poll that conservative blogs have been citing to make themselves feel better (Obama is ahead by 5-10 points in nearly every other poll I've seen).
Although, an 8/10 of a point drop isn't much to celebrate. And if you look at the trend lines, in nearly every poll (Rassmussen, Gallup -and even Zogby) the trends have been stable over the past week or so -which is what should really worry McCain as it suggests that the race is stabilizing and there are fewer votes left up for grabs. Plus, it also suggests that their negative tactics haven't worked as they haven't gained a whole lot since they started with them.
Rasmussen has had McCain at 44-45% and Obama at 50-52% over the past 18 days:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
In the Gallup Obama has been in the 50-52% range over the past couple weeks as well, while McCain's been in the 41-43% range:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/111112/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Ahead-51-41.aspx
In the Zogby poll, the trends have been fairly stable as well (over the past week, at least) -McCain at 43% and Obama at 47%. Although today's Zogby seems to be catching up to what the other polls are saying, as the tally is now Obama 49% and McCain 42%:
http://www.zogby.com/
But by all means, I do hope they keep "pounding him and pounding him" on the Ayers thing. Every minute that McCain spends not talking about the economy is a bonus for Obama.
Although McCain has already been softening his message, so I don't think he's dumb enough to continue a losing strategy (I think they are realizing that the only people it appeals to is people who would NEVER vote for Obama anyway, so they're not really gaining any votes). The bright spot for McCain is that his Mortgage plan has actually been polling OK, so if he really pushes that he could always turn things around. And then there's always the Bradley effect (something which makes me wary about trusting polls). There's lots of time left.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/14/2008 10:48:13 AM
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Although McCain has already been softening his message, so I don't think he's dumb enough to continue a losing strategy (I think they are realizing that the only people it appeals to is people who would NEVER vote for Obama anyway,
The fact is, there are lots of jews that were going to vote for Obama until they found out his affiliation with a racist and anti-semetic church.
The truth is, the more people find out exactly who the guy is behind the starched and pressed white dress shirt, the more they will change their mind.
And btw, its not guilt by association as you say, it's guilt by participation.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/14/2008 2:54:42 PM
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But by all means, I do hope they keep "pounding him and pounding him" on the Ayers thing. Every minute that McCain spends not talking about the economy is a bonus for Obama.
Although McCain has already been softening his message, so I don't think he's dumb enough to continue a losing strategy (I think they are realizing that the only people it appeals to is people who would NEVER vote for Obama anyway, so they're not really gaining any votes). The bright spot for McCain is that his Mortgage plan has actually been polling OK, so if he really pushes that he could always turn things around. And then there's always the Bradley effect (something which makes me wary about trusting polls). There's lots of time left.
I personally have never been confident of McCain's chances (he was pretty much fourth on the list of Republicans I would have chosen), but I hope the Dems continue in their overconfidence; it has served them well the last few Presidential elections.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/14/2008 4:36:21 PM
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(he was pretty much fourth on the list of Republicans I would have chosen),
Are there any non-Republicans you would have chosen over some of the Republican choices?
Serious question here, not a thinly veiled statement. I think you'll find we agree on most issues and I'm wondering if there are any non-Republicans you would (have) support(ed). I imagine no one from the Democratic party though.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/14/2008 5:02:00 PM
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Are there any non-Republicans you would have chosen over some of the Republican choices?
Serious question here, not a thinly veiled statement. I think you'll find we agree on most issues and I'm wondering if there are any non-Republicans you would (have) support(ed). I imagine no one from the Democratic party though.
I can't think of any non-Republicans I would have chosen, not because I don't think there might not be some good choices out there, but because I am a stickler for supporting viable candidates.
I can think of people who didn't run, who in retrospect would have been better.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/14/2008 6:34:32 PM
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Thats why some of us want to vote for obama.... mccain is just not likelable,
So, McCain doesn't get the approval of the arousal gappers. We don't need individuals who vote with their feelings!
McCain isn't telegenic and isn't articulate. He also isn't conservative. But he is a far better choice than the Annointed One.
The main reason for the financial crisis is the government madate to sell homes to individuals who could not afford them; how does one lose a home when they paid nothing down on a 125% loan?
The Messiah is more liberal than anyone who has run for President. Look at his cronies: Ayers, Wright, Rezko and you will see the character of the man.
Yes our country is in a financial mess, but we are more stable than a majority of the countries on the planent.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/14/2008 6:51:57 PM
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I can't think of any non-Republicans I would have chosen, not because I don't think there might not be some good choices out there, but because I am a stickler for supporting viable candidates.
Thanks for replying. I see your point about viable candidates although the two major parties leave me a bit cold at the moment.
I'm beginning to wonder if Hucklebee would have been a good candidate.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/14/2008 9:33:11 PM
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Thats why some of us want to vote for obama.... mccain is just not likelable,
So, McCain doesn't get the approval of the arousal gappers. We don't need individuals who vote with their feelings!
McCain isn't telegenic and isn't articulate. He also isn't conservative. But he is a far better choice than the Annointed One.
The main reason for the financial crisis is the government madate to sell homes to individuals who could not afford them; how does one lose a home when they paid nothing down on a 125% loan?
The Messiah is more liberal than anyone who has run for President. Look at his cronies: Ayers, Wright, Rezko and you will see the character of the man.
Yes our country is in a financial mess, but we are more stable than a majority of the countries on the planent.
I wish everyone - even in fun or sarcasm would stop verbalizing obama being the messiah, the one, or any such a thing, if you think about it, your words are demaning to our Lord. Please please stop attributing something that is due ONLY to our holy Lord and God, Jesus Christ... lets please stop!!! you are repeating blasphemous words that unenlightened people are saying :(
Pleasse stop in the name of Jesus and lets please go back to just giving those titles to our Holy Lord Jesus Christ!!!
in the meantime, i guess theres Ralph Nader running for president,, at least he is consumer conscious last time i looked. maybe he will get a vote from here.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/14/2008 9:36:42 PM
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I happen to like McCain but more importantly I respect him.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/14/2008 9:59:16 PM
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mccain is just not likelable
So its a popularity contest?
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will continue 8 more years of bush politics
McCain has differed and disagreed with the Bush administration more than a few times...and towards the left. If any republican candidtae should have the left's vote it should be this one.
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and wants to continue war
...and wants to finish the job we set out to do, promised to do and shed blood to do.
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8 years of giving to the rich needs to be over.
How does stealing from those who provide jobs that stimulate the economy, help people looking for jobs...?? Unless, they are NOT looking for work....aha.
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That's 700 years of Social security, 700 years of medicare, every family in America could have had a house for that kinda of money.
Ya think the welfare expendatures of this country are a billion a year? Its more like the 700 billion wouldn't even support one year of entitlements....and guess what? If we give the government our money, we have no control over how they spend it. Want big government and entitlements? You give up your freedom to do it.
Nothing is for free. Nothing.
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We've been told we can't help women with children, no money.
Since when?
Why are we dependant on the government to help women and children? Where is your church? Mine does it.
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That money could have helped every woman with children in AMERICA.
Again, let yourself be taxed, you lose control. I don't like selling my soul for a little comfort. It seems...we have Esau politics here. Gimme, gimme, now, and who cares about tommorow.
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No one wants their grouchy grandfather running things.
Compared to the slick liar, I'll take grampa.
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IF you honestly want to help poor children then don't give your money to the government.
Absolute fact.
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I simply don't believe you care about anyone but yourself.
ding ding ding
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He will take us down the path that he has already gone
The thing about this is...even Obama as president is limited by the constitution as to what he can really do. Its not going to be a liberal free for all.
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Many a woman has been fooled by a smooth talker that walks away and leaves her a destitute single parent without so much as a thank you when he gets his way.
Truth.
If anything, this thread goes a long way in proving a little presumption I have about this election...
it is popular to vote for Obama. I believe the polls are skewed because people think if someone found out about their support for McCain they will be painted a racist. If people find out that you are going to vote for McCain then you are the cause of all that is evil in america.
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You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/15/2008 3:20:09 AM
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ORIGINAL: Jhud
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But by all means, I do hope they keep "pounding him and pounding him" on the Ayers thing. Every minute that McCain spends not talking about the economy is a bonus for Obama.
Although McCain has already been softening his message, so I don't think he's dumb enough to continue a losing strategy (I think they are realizing that the only people it appeals to is people who would NEVER vote for Obama anyway, so they're not really gaining any votes). The bright spot for McCain is that his Mortgage plan has actually been polling OK, so if he really pushes that he could always turn things around. And then there's always the Bradley effect (something which makes me wary about trusting polls). There's lots of time left.
I personally have never been confident of McCain's chances (he was pretty much fourth on the list of Republicans I would have chosen), but I hope the Dems continue in their overconfidence; it has served them well the last few Presidential elections.
Who's over confident?
I've yet to win a presidential election since I started voted, so I've learned not to count my chickens before they've hatched.
As for comparable elections, though, if you go strictly by poll numbers I don't think 2000 or 2004 would give McCain much hope, as Bush was either ahead or pretty close at this time 4 and 8 years ago in most polls I've seen.
His best historical hope is Reagan's first election, as he was the only president in recent history to be down by 5 or so points going into the final debate who ended up pulling off a win. So it's possible that he could still win. But McCain has to do something spectacular to pull it off.
But regarding the Ayers thing, this poll was released today that supports everything I was saying before:
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The McCain campaign’s recent angry tone and sharply personal attacks on Senator Barack Obama appear to have backfired and tarnished Senator John McCain more than their intended target, the latest New York Times/CBS News poll has found. < | | |
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