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John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 9:35:44 AM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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Blurb from AOL news today -
Several Republicans, who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid angering McCain, said the campaign should have sought to plant doubts about Obama's associations with 1960s-era radical William Ayers and others months ago, rather than waiting until the campaign's final weeks. Doing so now, they said, makes the 72-year-old McCain come off as angry, grouchy and desperate, playing into Democrats' hands.
Thats why some of us want to vote for obama.... mccain is just not likelable, will continue 8 more years of bush politics, and wants to continue war, and since he is with the Republican party which we associate with this economic mess, we dont like mccain.
Can you give a reason why you like mccain? or dislike mccain?
I heard on the weekend, one commentator say "when your drowning in the sea, you dont care who throws you a lifeline - beit a muslim, or an atheist, or whomever"
we are drowning in the sea of Republican politics! we want out!
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 9:41:10 AM
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P31W
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The root of the economics crisis is Carter administration. It became worse at the end of the Clinton administration and exploded on us in the Bush administration.
Trying to say its a republican cause problem is simply false. Government stepping into places where it had no business is what caused this problem. Both parties are at fault.
Saying "Bush Politics" - can you explain this term to me. I hear it often but to date no one seems to know what that means or how it's good or bad.
McCain wants to end the war in victory and help stabelize the area. Obama want to quit and allow the area to be taken over by people who hate our own country and would love to nuke us off the face of the earth.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 9:42:38 AM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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unfortunately, since Bush is in office, and now the economy is going bad, they are getting the blame, whetehr they started it or not.
bush politics means just whatever is Republican, anything associated with Republicans and the current presidency.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 9:42:41 AM
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ORIGINAL: IMA_CHRISTIAN
Blurb from AOL news today -
Several Republicans, who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid angering McCain, said the campaign should have sought to plant doubts about Obama's associations with 1960s-era radical William Ayers and others months ago, rather than waiting until the campaign's final weeks. Doing so now, they said, makes the 72-year-old McCain come off as angry, grouchy and desperate, playing into Democrats' hands.
Thats why some of us want to vote for obama.... mccain is just not likelable, will continue 8 more years of bush politics, and wants to continue war, and since he is with the Republican party which we associate with this economic mess, we dont like mccain.
Can you give a reason why you like mccain? or dislike mccain?
I heard on the weekend, one commentator say "when your drowning in the sea, you dont care who throws you a lifeline - beit a muslim, or an atheist, or whomever"
we are drowning in the sea of Republican politics! we want out!
That "news" blurb is very poorly written. The very first sentence creates an unfavorable view of McCain. It throws out any sense of objectivity.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 9:45:35 AM
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P31W
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bush politics means just whatever is Republican
Ok so McCain is known for going agaist Republican policy. How does that fit into your regertation of media phrases?
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unfortunately, since Bush is in office, and now the economy is going bad, they are getting the blame, whetehr they started it or not.
So do we just pretend that we don't know the truth and allow ourselves to feel good about repeating what we know is false?
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 10:00:40 AM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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well you can read it today going to AOL news ..
your man needs to do something quick coz he is drowning in a sea of unfavorability.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 10:08:30 AM
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8 years of giving to the rich needs to be over.
700 billion?
That's 700 years of Social security, 700 years of medicare, every family in America could have had a house for that kinda of money.
That's on top of 120 Billion to AIG, 30 billion to Bear Sterns.
We've been told we can't help women with children, no money.
That money could have helped every woman with children in AMERICA.
John Mccain just ain't gonna win. He feels he should. But it is BO's time.
No one wants their grouchy grandfather running things.
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Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 10:19:00 AM
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P31W
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No one wants their grouchy grandfather running things.
What about a man who says we cannot use God's Word to help us know what is the right and wrong way to run our country?
Is that what "you two" want?
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 10:20:49 AM
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P31W
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8 years of giving to the rich needs to be over
So I did not get a tax rebate because according to the goverment I am rich?
Did you get a tax rebate?
I cannot have an IRA and get the tax deduction because according to the government I am rich?
Do you get that tax deduction?
Tell me what "money" I got for being wealthy?
I paid on over six figures in personal income tax last year to the IRS because they say I am rich?
What did "you" pay?
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 10:23:36 AM
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P31W
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2006 the top 1% of tax payers paid in 40% of the income tax and only made 22% of the nations wealth.
The bottom 50% of tax payers paid in only 2.99% of the income tax collected.
The "facts" are easy to find if you want to know the truth.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 10:24:45 AM
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8 years of giving to the rich needs to be over.
700 billion?
That's 700 years of Social security, 700 years of medicare, every family in America could have had a house for that kinda of money.
That's on top of 120 Billion to AIG, 30 billion to Bear Sterns.
We've been told we can't help women with children, no money.
That money could have helped every woman with children in AMERICA.
John Mccain just ain't gonna win. He feels he should. But it is BO's time.
No one wants their grouchy grandfather running things.
AMEN, AMEN!!!!
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 10:25:33 AM
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P31W
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When are you going to respond to the thread about Obama and the Bible?
Are you afraid to tell us the truth?
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 10:39:20 AM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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When are you going to respond to the thread about Obama and the Bible?
Are you afraid to tell us the truth?
who me???? I will go there later on today.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 10:46:23 AM
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So I did not get a tax rebate because according to the goverment I am rich?
Did you get a tax rebate?
I cannot have an IRA and get the tax deduction because according to the government I am rich?
Do you get that tax deduction?
Tell me what "money" I got for being wealthy?
I paid on over six figures in personal income tax last year to the IRS because they say I am rich?
What did "you" pay?
If God has given you money, that is fine. As long as you did'nt oppress a person in their wages.
It's where is your heart to help the poor?
A better number would be how much did you give the poor?
I paid my fair share in taxes. Willing to pay more, if it helps little kids.
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Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 10:51:01 AM
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2006 the top 1% of tax payers paid in 40% of the income tax and only made 22% of the nations wealth.
The bottom 50% of tax payers paid in only 2.99% of the income tax collected.
The "facts" are easy to find if you want to know the truth.
wheres your link for your facts?
Look at it. The top 1% is 300 people. How about the top 10% ?
I can make stats look any way I want.
Heres a fact: there are more white people on welfare than blacks.
Heres some stats:
50% of blacks are on welfare.
only 20% of whites are on welfare.
50% of black people is 17 million, 20% of whites is 40 million.
So :MORE white people are on welfare.
Get it?
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Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 10:54:32 AM
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P31W
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I paid my fair share in taxes. Willing to pay more, if it helps little kids.
I simply do not believe you. Do you even know what "your fair share is"?
IF you honestly want to help poor children then don't give your money to the government. Give it directly to them or better yet provide for them medical insurance, pay for them to get a college education and the like.
IF you were doing that already you would NOT be saying that you would pay more to the "middle man" who gets to decide what to do with the money you earn.
I simply don't believe you care about anyone but yourself. If you did you would NOT be wanting to give more to the government....you would be wanting to keep more of your money so that you could KNOW it was going to help people you claim to care about.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 10:57:03 AM
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P31W
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Heres a fact: there are more white people on welfare than blacks.
Heres some stats:
50% of blacks are on welfare.
only 20% of whites are on welfare.
50% of black people is 17 million, 20% of whites is 40 million.
So :MORE white people are on welfare.
Get it?
Yep, another topic that had nothing to do with RACE and YOU just have to bring it up.
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wheres your link for your facts?
gone to get the IRS stats for you.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/250.html
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The top 1% is 300 people
What!!!!!! It's over 1.3 Million taxpayers. To be more exact according to 2006 IRS records it was 1,357,192 taxpayers.
What do you do make up stuff as you go along? Are you really an educator in our public school system? Is that what you do there too?
< Message edited by P31W -- 10/13/2008 11:03:43 AM >
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 11:04:29 AM
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Now, that is a highly intelligent approach to choosing the next president... not "likeable". 
Wait a minute until I gain my composure!
Let's rephrase your quote from a commentator and apply it to the past... "When your country is in the doldrums from harsh reparations from the last war (WWI) then it doesn't matter who throws you a lifeline - be it a communist, atheist, NAZI or whomever"
Put in these terms we realize that it DOES matter who throws you a lifeline.
And, ignorance is the chief reason why the people made a huge mistake then and it's going to be why so many are going to make a huge mistake again. And, I believe that choosing Obama, while in a different way, will be equally catastrophic for this country. He will take us down the path that he has already gone; but, that the American public completely ignores... and, it is NOT the path, if you are a Christian, that is going to give you the satisfaction that you seek.
What we've been drowning in is a sea of liberalism masking as conservatism and fiscal responsibility. All you are about to get is the liberalism without the mask. When you see a program like Saturday Night Live having a skit being removed because it was critical of the true villians in the mortgage mess because they happen to line up politically with Obama and his devotees it SHOULD tell thinking people that something is amiss that is not going to be pretty when it comes to fruition.
I always tell people on both sides of the political spectrum, your enemies will never disappoint you; but, be very, very afraid of your political friends. This in many ways has been true of George Bush. It will DEFINITELY be true of Obama. As the old saying goes, "You ain't seen nothing yet!"
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ORIGINAL: IMA_CHRISTIAN
Blurb from AOL news today -
Several Republicans, who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid angering McCain, said the campaign should have sought to plant doubts about Obama's associations with 1960s-era radical William Ayers and others months ago, rather than waiting until the campaign's final weeks. Doing so now, they said, makes the 72-year-old McCain come off as angry, grouchy and desperate, playing into Democrats' hands.
Thats why some of us want to vote for obama.... mccain is just not likelable, will continue 8 more years of bush politics, and wants to continue war, and since he is with the Republican party which we associate with this economic mess, we dont like mccain.
Can you give a reason why you like mccain? or dislike mccain?
I heard on the weekend, one commentator say "when your drowning in the sea, you dont care who throws you a lifeline - beit a muslim, or an atheist, or whomever"
we are drowning in the sea of Republican politics! we want out!
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 11:06:49 AM
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The mistake that the Republicans have made is that they hung their best hope out to dry. Gingrich had the ideas and the clarity to express them.
Letting him be lynched as he was by the left over a non-issue was inexcusable.
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unfortunately, since Bush is in office, and now the economy is going bad, they are getting the blame, whetehr they started it or not.
bush politics means just whatever is Republican, anything associated with Republicans and the current presidency.
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 11:10:53 AM
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I didn't know the general election was a popularity contest.
Further more I don't know how popularity is even relevant in a culture war society.
Case in point: Al Gore, one of the most unlikable people you could imagine in politics ended up garnering the "popular" vote in 2000.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 11:14:32 AM
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Unfortunately, it was the news media that called the shots early in this election cycle by clearly taking sides in the primaries of both parties to promote liberal candidates Obama and McCain. The primaries were over before they even began.
The idea was that no matter who won the the final election, the media would have their favorite son in office.
You are simply being given the token task of choosing which of the media's choices will finally sit in the office. But, in reality, no matter who wins, we all lose. It's now just a matter of how much we will lose. With McCain, we will hold our own with minor losses. With Obama, the descent into outright socialism will be staggeringly fast as the pent up frenzy of the 60's radicals behind him furiously demand changes before they pass on.
You are not going to like what you unleash.
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well you can read it today going to AOL news ..
your man needs to do something quick coz he is drowning in a sea of unfavorability.
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 11:17:50 AM
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I'd much rather have a grouchy granfather that actually knows something than a snotty nose kid that hasn't a clue; but, is a smooth talker.
Many a woman has been fooled by a smooth talker that walks away and leaves her a destitute single parent without so much as a thank you when he gets his way.
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ORIGINAL: tracydolls
8 years of giving to the rich needs to be over.
700 billion?
That's 700 years of Social security, 700 years of medicare, every family in America could have had a house for that kinda of money.
That's on top of 120 Billion to AIG, 30 billion to Bear Sterns.
We've been told we can't help women with children, no money.
That money could have helped every woman with children in AMERICA.
John Mccain just ain't gonna win. He feels he should. But it is BO's time.
No one wants their grouchy grandfather running things.
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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RE: John McCain - not likeable - 10/13/2008 11:29:38 AM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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what is mccain promising and where will he get the money to pay for his promises?
did he say he wanted to buy a house for every citizen?? or just help each homeowner out with their mortgage?
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