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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/13/2008 2:58:13 PM
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StephK
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What kind of trouble? What did ACORN do?
For starters, they nearly caused a riot when the badly damaged housing projects were to be demolished.
ACORN dirty laundry to be aired
Posted by Rebecca Mowbray / The Times-Picayune October 02, 2008 11:57AM
Since Hurricane Katrina, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now has fought to make sure that displaced New Orleanians can vote, return home, tell their stories and have a place to live.
Now ACORN, the venerable 38-year-old social justice organization, faces the fight of its life over an embezzlement scandal and leadership crisis that hits Orleans Parish Civil District Court today at 9 a.m.
In late May, the group's board was shocked to learn that the brother of ACORN founder Wade Rathke had stolen nearly $1 million from the organization and its affiliates eight years ago.
"It was like a bomb. Things just went bonkers, " said Bertha Lewis, director of the group's New York office, who has taken over Rathke's duties on an interim basis. "Nothing like that had ever happened before."
The news has attracted national scrutiny of ACORN, which was founded in Arkansas in 1970 and maintains a strong political presence in New York, New Orleans and Washington. In fact, early versions of the Wall Street bailout under consideration by Congress called for the routing of some profits from the sale of troubled assets to activist groups like ACORN. That provision emerged as an early sticking point in the plan's passage, in part because of the current scandal.
The imbroglio dates to 1999 and 2000, when the nonprofit was calling for local increases in the minimum wage and trying to unionize hospitality workers in New Orleans. Dale Rathke, the founder's brother, was serving as comptroller through a related organization called Citizens Consulting Inc., and Lewis said he abused his authority by using the group's credit cards to buy things that were unrelated to its work.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/13/2008 3:53:18 PM
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Ohio ACORN Hiring Canvassers To Help Obama
Submitted by Jeff on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 12:22pm.
An announcement from Ohio ACORN political director Mari Engelhardt:
GOTV for Obama! Ohio ACORN is doing a Get Out The Vote project with the OBAMA Campaign. Ohio ACORN is hiring canvassers to go door to door encouraging voters to vote for Barack Obama.
ACORN is hiring in Cleveland (216)431-3905, Columbus (614)425-9491, Cincinnati (513)221-1737, for Dayton (call Cincinnati), and for Toledo call Cleveland. Or email polnatoh@acorn.org and your inquiry will be routed to the appropriate person in each of these cities.
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Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/13/2008 4:09:47 PM
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Ohio ACORN Hiring Canvassers To Help Obama
Submitted by Jeff on Thu, 02/21/2008 - 12:22pm.
An announcement from Ohio ACORN political director Mari Engelhardt:
GOTV for Obama! Ohio ACORN is doing a Get Out The Vote project with the OBAMA Campaign. Ohio ACORN is hiring canvassers to go door to door encouraging voters to vote for Barack Obama.
ACORN is hiring in Cleveland (216)431-3905, Columbus (614)425-9491, Cincinnati (513)221-1737, for Dayton (call Cincinnati), and for Toledo call Cleveland. Or email polnatoh@acorn.org and your inquiry will be routed to the appropriate person in each of these cities.
Wow, that kinda demolishes the whole "non-partisan" claim the group continually makes.
-Robb
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/13/2008 4:11:41 PM
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StephK
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They should be defunded. If they want to do this then they can pay for it themselves. In fact if all of these types of organizations were defunded 100% it would help with the deficit.
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Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/13/2008 4:23:48 PM
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Is it a serious issue? I see a lot of sound and fury, but I don't see anything about people actually voting more than once.
Again, are people voting fifteen times? If they aren't then yes,
The potential for that to have happened is plainly evident, so it is indeed a big deal. However, we won't know for sure whether people actually used phony registrations to cast phony votes unless/until those absentee ballots are validated. That is why that step is so critical, and that is what the Ohio Secretary of State is fighting to prevent. (Her justification is that it will take too much work to verify the votes and will "inject chaos into the system". Why ensuring the integrity of the voting process constitutes "chaos" is a mystery to me.)
-Robb
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/13/2008 6:04:12 PM
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Another state it seems is being investigated.
Seminole County Supervisor of Elections Uncovers Vote Fraud in 24th District Tom Feeney Joined 38 Members Requesting Investigation into ACORN by Attorney General
(Washington, DC) – After reports that the Seminole County Supervisor of Elections uncovered vote fraud in Central Florida, Tom Feeney (R-Oviedo) today pointed yet again to the need for an investigation and hearings to probe potential abuse of taxpayer funds by the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now (ACORN). In June, Rep. Feeney joined Congressman Jeb Hensarling and Congressman Ed Royce to urge Chairman Barney Frank to convene a hearing on potential ACORN illegalities. Last week, Rep. Feeney joined 38 other members to request an immediate Department of Justice investigation into whether or not ACORN is engaging in criminal voting fraud, promoting fraudulent registrations, or criminally misusing taxpayer funds.
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Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/13/2008 7:56:09 PM
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I think it's pretty clear that ACORN that takes our tax dollars has abused it's power. Now don't get me wrong ACORN has done some good things but mainly as a diversion from the active corruption it's involved between voter fraud and fueling the flames of this housing crisis. Kind of weird bedfellows, Wall Street and ACORN...but then you have to look at whose heading up the banking committee in Congress.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/14/2008 10:06:26 AM
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YES! ACORN has been stirring up trouble for years in New Orleans. In fact the founder lives there now.
What kind of trouble? What did ACORN do?
You keep asking and people keep telling you. ?????
WHat sense does it make to keep responding like this??
You don't have much credibility now as a person to discuss things sensibly imo.
Currently there are numerous complaints to Supervisors of elections all over the country calling for investigations.
It seems that what we are seeing of this, which isn't much thanks to a MSM black out of the story, is just the tip of the iceberg. It's completely extraordinary.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/14/2008 12:07:57 PM
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There are 3 pages of speculation about how horrible ACORN was - I wonder why Mr. McCain chose to be the keynote speaker for the national convention of this "horrible" organization?
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/a_lifetime_ago_sen_john.php
As we head into the final debate for this election season this evening, I do hope that we all can remember that CHRIST ALONE is our righteousness and our salvation. It is so dangerous to try to elevate any politician or public figure beyond measure-ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Mr. McCain has at LEAST as many flaws as Mr. Obama, maybe now is a great time to give your vote to the Lord and allow HIM to guide you in who you should vote for.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/14/2008 1:47:48 PM
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There are 3 pages of speculation about how horrible ACORN was - I wonder why Mr. McCain chose to be the keynote speaker for the national convention of this "horrible" organization?
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/a_lifetime_ago_sen_john.php
As we head into the final debate for this election season this evening, I do hope that we all can remember that CHRIST ALONE is our righteousness and our salvation. It is so dangerous to try to elevate any politician or public figure beyond measure-ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Mr. McCain has at LEAST as many flaws as Mr. Obama, maybe now is a great time to give your vote to the Lord and allow HIM to guide you in who you should vote for.
Your quaint little point is left lacking concerning the amount of Money that Obama has poured into this leftist thug like vote manufacturing organzation that many refer to as criminal versus how much John McCain has.
You would have to be brain dead not to realize that they are trying to get Obama elected illegally so can we stop the meretricious melodramatic overtures?
"ACORN, whose political arm has endorsed Democratic nominee Barack Obama, has signed up more than 1.3 million voters for this cycle. "
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/news/politics/bogus_voter_booted_amid_probe_of_acorn_133540.htm
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/14/2008 2:43:33 PM
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There are 3 pages of speculation about how horrible ACORN was - I wonder why Mr. McCain chose to be the keynote speaker for the national convention of this "horrible" organization?
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/a_lifetime_ago_sen_john.php
As we head into the final debate for this election season this evening, I do hope that we all can remember that CHRIST ALONE is our righteousness and our salvation. It is so dangerous to try to elevate any politician or public figure beyond measure-ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Mr. McCain has at LEAST as many flaws as Mr. Obama, maybe now is a great time to give your vote to the Lord and allow HIM to guide you in who you should vote for.
Your quaint little point is left lacking concerning the amount of Money that Obama has poured into this leftist thug like vote manufacturing organzation that many refer to as criminal versus how much John McCain has.
You would have to be brain dead not to realize that they are trying to get Obama elected illegally so can we stop the meretricious melodramatic overtures?
"ACORN, whose political arm has endorsed Democratic nominee Barack Obama, has signed up more than 1.3 million voters for this cycle. "
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/news/politics/bogus_voter_booted_amid_probe_of_acorn_133540.htm
Yup, you got my number. You know, when I first started to read and comment on these election forums I did so out of sheer frustration relative to the tunnel vision coming from each side.
I guess I carried a lot of preconceived notions as to why that bias and tunnel vision-and I guess (naively) I thought it was based in some form of objective logic-as in people looked at each side equally, prayed about it and came up with what they felt strongly convicted was the best choice (and were therefore vigorously defending that best choice-in fact, the choice the felt led to make).
I guess after 34 years (and even a few go-rounds with Christian message boards at election time), I really should know a little better but that was my original belief. I guess I also believed that people were looking at this for what it was - another part of our life (and another opportunity to seek God's leading on the best next step). As such, I was thinking that fairness was an overall objective as well-agree to disagree without being disagreeable-and it was from this misguided notion that I posted many of the posts I did-thinking that in some cases, perhaps by providing an alternative point of view the situation could be viewed a little more objectively. Boy was I out to lunch!
I don't know exactly who I'll vote for, but I can promise this-I will pray about it and I will do what I feel the Lord is leading me to do-sorry if that's too quaint. 
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/14/2008 4:02:20 PM
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Boy was I out to lunch!
I would say if you can't see the writing on the wall, or in this case, Mickey Mouse's signature on a voting ballot as a registered democrat with an ACORN approved stamp on it, your reasoning is out to lunch.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/14/2008 4:06:09 PM
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So does anyone actually believe the media is going to report these problems with Obama's background?
Voter fraud
ACORN
William Ayers
Rev. Wright
Tony Rezko
Quite the cast of characters cast a light on Obama foundations.
You forgot Franklin Raines, the guiness behind Fannie Mae.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/14/2008 4:09:29 PM
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Fraud isn't fraud unless fraud actually occurs.
That's akin to saying that since the person someone ATTEMPTED to kill didn't actually die, no crime's been commited! Whether they succeed or not, it's STILL a crime!
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/14/2008 4:16:12 PM
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Hey, does anyone know,,
When Obama was supporting ACORN, was it a good organization then,,,,
and since then gone downhill.
or was it alwasy as corrup back then as now?
that could mean a difference, i.e. if Obama belonged to it when it was good (if it ever was).. then he fled it, that would mean he left something that started off ok but turned out bad.
Fair enough. Problem is, he's trying to disavow himself of ANY connection to them whatsoever! If it were as you ask, why deny you have ANY connection to them at all?!?
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/14/2008 4:20:06 PM
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Fraud isn't fraud unless fraud actually occurs.
That's like akin to saying that since the person someone ATTEMPTED to kill didn't actually die, no crime's been commited! Whether they succeed or not, it's STILL a crime!
The predominant problem with registering 73 times as the one person did is it floods the electorial boards with nonsense so they can't efficiently weed out the fake ones. And since only one side is faking it, guess who benefits?
It's tantamount to a Denial Of Service attack that is perpetrated on websites by overwhelming it with hits.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/14/2008 4:29:45 PM
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I personally hate these "get out the vote" sort of drives. Aside from perhaps home bound disabled people, if you are unable to register ON YOUR OWN or not driven to register ON YOUR OWN, odds are you're not going to take the election serious enough to bother to inform yourself on the issues/candidates anyway and thus, I'd prefer you don't vote anyway.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/14/2008 5:28:40 PM
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ACORN: The Fraud Continues
This is one of those news stories you can hardly believe. In Lake County, Indiana, ACORN turned in 5,000 new registrations. The authorities there started reviewing them, and quit after they found that the first 2,100 were all fraudulent. The mind boggles: ACORN turns in thousands of new registrations, and not a single one represents a legitimate voter. Here is CNN's report:
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/14/2008 6:50:52 PM
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Is it a serious issue? I see a lot of sound and fury, but I don't see anything about people actually voting more than once.
Again, are people voting fifteen times? If they aren't then yes,
The potential for that to have happened is plainly evident, so it is indeed a big deal. However, we won't know for sure whether people actually used phony registrations to cast phony votes unless/until those absentee ballots are validated. That is why that step is so critical, and that is what the Ohio Secretary of State is fighting to prevent. (Her justification is that it will take too much work to verify the votes and will "inject chaos into the system". Why ensuring the integrity of the voting process constitutes "chaos" is a mystery to me.)
And yet, as the supreme court has indicated, this essentially never happens. There has been no problem of people voting twice since Boss Tweed. Attempting to throw votes out as a cautionary measure is risking disenfranchisement to prevent something that never happens.
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You keep asking and people keep telling you.
People keep telling me the same baloney, yes. Ergo, I keep asking. People being registered fifteen times does no mean they will vote fifteen times. A registration of a "Mickey Mouse" does not mean Mickey Mouse will be voting.
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Fraud isn't fraud unless fraud actually occurs.
That's akin to saying that since the person someone ATTEMPTED to kill didn't actually die, no crime's been commited! Whether they succeed or not, it's STILL a crime!
Do you actually fear Mickey Mouse showing up to vote? Having Disney characters registered isn't attempting fraud, it's attempts by individual canvassers to rip their employer (ACORN) off.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/14/2008 6:57:10 PM
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Do you actually fear Mickey Mouse showing up to vote? Having Disney characters registered isn't attempting fraud, it's attempts by individual canvassers to rip their employer (ACORN) off.
You're right - there is no voter fraud going on.
Everyone please ignore the evidence, the fraud behind the curtain... nothing to see here, move along now...
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