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ACORN has been involved with New Orleans politics since its inception. Do your own homework.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/29/acorn-project-vote-and-voter-fraud/

I did. Remember that article I posted earlier? It noted (and I did) that that kind of "fraud" amounts to essentially nothing.

All anyone has to do to see the results of rampant vote fraud is to look at what happened in New Orleans and other states where there is historical records of vote fraud.

Look, I can mention vote fraud and Ronald Reagan in the same breath but it doesn't make the two connected. You can do the same with ACORN, with similar non-results. Gesticulating wildly ("look at what happened...!") doesn't make a connection any more clear.

Bedtime for reals now. I hope there's an actual case built up when I come back.

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Most of the non-tabloid stuff I've read says the controversy around ACORN is either either grossly exaggerated or entirely baseless.

I know you're in China, what non-tabloid stuff? Our mainstream media here has become tabloid stuff.

Ha, basically, I don't watch TV...

This article points out that actual voter fraud (the kind people worry about these days, people voting twice, etcetera) is practically nonexistent.

http://washingtonindependent.com/9136/democrats-gop-challenge-voter-laws

I read elsewhere that, though ACORN has some corrupt canvassers that attempt to bilk ACORN by providing faulty voter lists and such, those ultimately serve to give ACORN a hard time (and cause it to lose money) and don't actually translate to fraud in the booth.

Who said anything about TV? Our "mainstream" media here consists of TV, radio, and print. These stories have been available to the mainstream press for quite some time, but they have not done anything to uncover them. They have only come to the surface as talk radio ( right wing!) has informed their audience who is now demanding the "mainstream" press do its job equitably.

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http://jeffsadow.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-connected-group-increases-la-vote.html

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http://jeffsadow.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-connected-group-increases-la-vote.html

The first paragraph from that link:

"The political left continues to press its campaign to make elections in Louisiana turn out its way by legally questionable means. One prong of the strategy is to flood registrars in key areas with bogus registrations, hoping to overwhelm the system to allow the maximum number to seep through. Another is to rely upon “friendly” officials that wink at the practice and countenance the seepage. The final prong is to challenge and resist by every means possible efforts of diligent officials to prevent these activities from succeeding."

This is precisely what is happening in Ohio. The Secretary of State exploited a quirk in the election law to allow same day registration and voting, and numerous articles pointing out the massive fraud that that enabled have been posted here. (She tried to forbid observers at the registration/voting sites too.) And now, the SoS is fighting tooth and nail to prevent verification of the absentee ballots that have been cast. (It took a court order to insist on verification, and she has even appealed that decision.) If those ballots resulting from fraudulent registrations are not verified, thousands upon thousands of illegitimate votes will be counted in the election, in a critical swing state. Now, how can anyone say this is not a serious issue?

-Robb

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What's to keep a person from voting in more that one precinct? Voter fraud is just that fraud.

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The problem, Mitchell says, is that the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 – known as the motor-voter law – led to huge numbers of registrations. But state officials did not remove people from their rolls when they moved or were otherwise no longer eligible.
“So you literally have jurisdictions in this country where you have more registrations than you have people eligible to vote,” said Mitchell. “People would register more than once. It mightily burdened the elections administration resources.”
Such registration problems don’t mean people are committing voter fraud, however. Experts point out that even if someone moves and registers to vote at their new address without canceling their old registration, there’s no evidence that they actually vote twice.
It’s a point the Supreme Court acknowledged in April, even as it upheld Indiana’s controversial voter identification requirement. “Indiana’s voter registration rolls include a large number of names of persons who are either deceased or no longer live in Indiana,” wrote Justice John Paul Stevens for the majority in Crawford v. Marion County.
Still, there was no evidence that someone was trying to vote on their behalf. “The record contains no evidence of any such fraud actually occurring in Indiana at any time in its history,” Stevens wrote, noting that to do so would be a felony. In fact, to find an example of widespread voter impersonation the court had to reach back to the New York City elections of 1868, in which William (Boss) Tweed sent “repeaters” to vote in different names.
The first case brought by the new Election Fraud Task Force formed by Wisconsin’s attorney general and Milwaukee district attorney, filed Tuesday, actually supports the argument that voter fraud is a red herring. The criminal complaint accuses a city worker of submitting 27 voter registration forms containing false information, including 19 addresses that do not exist. Even if the charges are substantiated, however, unless the 19 people with nonexistent addresses actually show up to vote, such fraud wouldn’t have any impact on the outcome of the election.
“Voter fraud is a huge canard,” said Robert Atkins, a partner at Paul Weiss Rifkind & Garrison who is working with the Brennan Center on the case against Florida. “There’s a long history of systemic attempts to rip off elections. There’s no evidence to support individual efforts of voter fraud. It’s a sham.”
Indeed, until 2007, the Justice Dept. policy was not even to investigate claims of individual voter fraud, on the grounds that it has “only a minimal impact on the integrity of the voting process.”

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Let see.

There is the ACORN involvement.

There is the Tony Rezko connection.

There is the Rev. Wright Issue.

There is the William Ayers association.

If it quacks like a duck it's usually a duck.

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http://jeffsadow.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-connected-group-increases-la-vote.html

The first paragraph from that link:

"The political left continues to press its campaign to make elections in Louisiana turn out its way by legally questionable means. One prong of the strategy is to flood registrars in key areas with bogus registrations, hoping to overwhelm the system to allow the maximum number to seep through. Another is to rely upon “friendly” officials that wink at the practice and countenance the seepage. The final prong is to challenge and resist by every means possible efforts of diligent officials to prevent these activities from succeeding."

This is precisely what is happening in Ohio. The Secretary of State exploited a quirk in the election law to allow same day registration and voting, and numerous articles pointing out the massive fraud that that enabled have been posted here. (She tried to forbid observers at the registration/voting sites too.) And now, the SoS is fighting tooth and nail to prevent verification of the absentee ballots that have been cast. (It took a court order to insist on verification, and she has even appealed that decision.) If those ballots resulting from fraudulent registrations are not verified, thousands upon thousands of illegitimate votes will be counted in the election, in a critical swing state. Now, how can anyone say this is not a serious issue?

-Robb

As my article pointed out, even if ACORN workers, or those of some other organization, register a million non-existent voters, those million people are not actually voting on election day. There is no evidence that people impersonate others at the voting booths. (“It is more likely that an individual will be struck by lightning than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls,” the Brennan Center for Justice concluded, after conducting a comprehensive study last year.) So, no matter how many fake registrants there might be, the impact on the outcome of the election is effectively nil, and as such, not a serious issue.

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As my article pointed out, even if ACORN workers, or those of some other organization, register a million non-existent voters, those million people are not actually voting on election day. There is no evidence that people impersonate others at the voting booths. (“It is more likely that an individual will be struck by lightning than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls,” the Brennan Center for Justice concluded, after conducting a comprehensive study last year.) So, no matter how many fake registrants there might be, the impact on the outcome of the election is effectively nil, and as such, not a serious issue.

Please read what I wrote again. In Ohio they were both registering and voting at the same time. The Secretary of State's actions created the perfect conditions for registration fraud to directly produce fraudulent votes, and is now fighting to prevent the validation of those votes. Votes, not registrations.

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I'm not seeing the fraud here. Are people voting twice? What justification is there for preventing the validation of those votes, and aren't fears of disenfranchisement warranted?

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Following news stories on this , it has gone from ACORN voter fraud in a few states, to several states, to 13 and now 11 hours ago, 15 states!!

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I'm not seeing the fraud here. Are people voting twice? What justification is there for preventing the validation of those votes, and aren't fears of disenfranchisement warranted?

try 15 times.
Now, since these are illegal registrations and votes on the same day do you still stand by your previously eroneous statment of "nil impact " on the election? I can't believe you said that without even trying to find out the facts.


ACORN has been implicated in voter-fraud schemes in 15 states -- including Ohio, from where the Post's Jeane MacIntosh reports today that a Board of Elections investigation has unearthed evidence of widespread voter fraud. Two voters told MacIntosh they had been dragooned by ACORN activists into registering several times -- one reporting having signed up "10 to 15" times. ...

I think ACORN's little "i'm the ginger bread man you can't catch me" game will eventually come to an end.

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So, no matter how many fake registrants there might be, the impact on the outcome of the election is effectively nil, and as such, not a serious issue.

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It's like blaming Best Buy for internal theft.

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Again, are people voting fifteen times? If they aren't then yes,

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So, no matter how many fake registrants there might be, the impact on the outcome of the election is effectively nil, and as such, not a serious issue.

Again, Ohio early voting means you can register and vote the same day before election day. I'm not sure how this cannot be a serious issue.

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Again, are people voting fifteen times? If they aren't then yes,

IN case you aren't following the news, or turning a blind eye, either way, yes they are using fake names and voting more than once. Well, I guess you could be picky and say one fake name is only one vote, which I would expect from a democrat.

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When Obama was supporting ACORN, was it a good organization then,,,,

and since then gone downhill.

or was it alwasy as corrup back then as now?

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Hey, does anyone know,,

When Obama was supporting ACORN, was it a good organization then,,,,

and since then gone downhill.

or was it alwasy as corrup back then as now?

that could mean a difference, i.e. if Obama belonged to it when it was good (if it ever was).. then he fled it, that would mean he left something that started off ok but turned out bad.

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When Obama was supporting ACORN, was it a good organization then,,,,

and since then gone downhill.

or was it alwasy as corrup back then as now?

I'm still asking, how corrupt is it? I'm seeing a lot of comments that are heavy on the accusations and insinuations but light on everything else.

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In my state good, decent and COMPETENT men/women have been defeated by corrupt crooks who will do anything to win an election. There was a real price paid for that level of corruption. 1300+ people died due to government corruption and blatant voter fraud that happened for years.

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YES! ACORN has been stirring up trouble for years in New Orleans. In fact the founder lives there now.