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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/14/2008 4:06:24 PM
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Jhud
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Unfortunately for Palin, there's an ethical way and an unethical way to get the job done. She took the unethical path. Therefore, she did not uphold the standards the Alskan people expected her to. There's no way around it.
Again, this is simply not what the report says; at worst it says she didn't stop other people from interacting improperly with certain folks in the government; that isn't doing anything unethical to 'get the job done'.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/14/2008 4:16:39 PM
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Unfortunately for Palin, there's an ethical way and an unethical way to get the job done. She took the unethical path. Therefore, she did not uphold the standards the Alskan people expected her to. There's no way around it.
Again, this is simply not what the report says; at worst it says she didn't stop other people from interacting improperly with certain folks in the government; that isn't doing anything unethical to 'get the job done'.
"For the reasons explained in section IV of this report, I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) provides"
Funny how Palin can see Russia from her house but fails to see what's in the report. I didn't write it. I'm just stating what's in the report. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you take it up with the Alaskan legislature. According to them, she acted unethically. That's fact and it cannot be argued either way. If you think the board's findings are a bunch of bull, then that's your opinion against theirs.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/14/2008 4:18:03 PM
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Unfortunately for Palin, there's an ethical way and an unethical way to get the job done. She took the unethical path. Therefore, she did not uphold the standards the Alskan people expected her to. There's no way around it.
More ACLU 101. Ignore the pervert's outrageous acts and focus on those trying to take him off the street with his badge and weapons.
No one is saying that the guy didn't deserve to get fired. There's a way you do things. We as Christians know better. Don't we? Aren't there principles in how we are to conduct our lives? Or can we just do what we want as long as the ends justify the means? No discretion at all?
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/14/2008 4:18:23 PM
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"For the reasons explained in section IV of this report, I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) provides"
Funny how Palin can see Russia from her house but fails to see what's in the report. I didn't write it. I'm just stating what's in the report. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you take it up with the Alaskan legislature. According to them, she acted unethically. That's fact and it cannot be argued either way. If you think the board's findings are a bunch of bull, then that's your opinion against theirs.
And what does section IV of the report say say adelphi?
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/14/2008 5:14:16 PM
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I think some folks are confused as to what some think she did wrong here and I'm curious exactly what action some of you think she should have taken? The trooper NEEDED to go. Period. Higher ups, for whatever reason, weren't doing their jobs to take action against him (which IMHO is almost criminal). And yet, she gets slapped for using her position for "personal gain". Huh?
Put the koolaid down people... 
Okay. So, if I built a bomb and planted it an the trooper's house in order to get rid of him, that's perfectly ethical. He's still gone right? Or if I get the mafia to get rid of him. That's justifiable right? Or even still, what if I blackmail him? That's perfectly alright too isn't it?
Fact: She violated an ethics law. Fact: She lied about what the report said. No one is saying she deserves to go to jail or hell. It's just a plain fact. If she was pulled over for speeding, the fact would be that she was speeding. Why is everyone so up in arms? It's Alaskan law whether you agree with it or not.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/14/2008 5:24:27 PM
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Okay. So, if I built a bomb and planted it an the trooper's house in order to get rid of him, that's perfectly ethical. He's still gone right? Or if I get the mafia to get rid of him. That's justifiable right? Or even still, what if I blackmail him? That's perfectly alright too isn't it?
Fact: She violated an ethics law. Fact: She lied about what the report said. No one is saying she deserves to go to jail or hell. It's just a plain fact. If she was pulled over for speeding, the fact would be that she was speeding. Why is everyone so up in arms? It's Alaskan law whether you agree with it or not.
adelphis, have actually you read any part of the report?
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/14/2008 5:35:04 PM
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Okay. So, if I built a bomb and planted it an the trooper's house in order to get rid of him, that's perfectly ethical. He's still gone right? Or if I get the mafia to get rid of him. That's justifiable right? Or even still, what if I blackmail him? That's perfectly alright too isn't it?
Fact: She violated an ethics law. Fact: She lied about what the report said. No one is saying she deserves to go to jail or hell. It's just a plain fact. If she was pulled over for speeding, the fact would be that she was speeding. Why is everyone so up in arms? It's Alaskan law whether you agree with it or not.
adelphis, have actually you read any part of the report?
I think that may be where the disconnect is.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/14/2008 5:36:49 PM
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Okay. So, if I built a bomb and planted it an the trooper's house in order to get rid of him, that's perfectly ethical. He's still gone right? Or if I get the mafia to get rid of him. That's justifiable right? Or even still, what if I blackmail him? That's perfectly alright too isn't it?
Fact: She violated an ethics law. Fact: She lied about what the report said. No one is saying she deserves to go to jail or hell. It's just a plain fact. If she was pulled over for speeding, the fact would be that she was speeding. Why is everyone so up in arms? It's Alaskan law whether you agree with it or not.
adelphis, have actually you read any part of the report?
I think that may be where the disconnect is.
I guess it comes from gettin' your "news" from leftist blogs...
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/15/2008 2:33:08 AM
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http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20081010_TROOPER.pdf
I didn't ask if you could post it, I asked if you had read it.
And that 263 pages is only the first half.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/15/2008 9:30:13 AM
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The Alaskan Constitution
Article 12 - General Provisions
4. Disqualification for Disloyalty
No person who advocates, or who aids or belongs to any party or organization or association which advocates, the overthrow by force or violence of the government of the United States or of the State shall be qualified to hold any public office of trust or profit under this constitution.
Alaskan Independence Party
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AIP members have offered conflicting information about Sarah Palin's affiliation with the party. And earlier this year, as governor, Palin addressed the AIP convention, stating that she shared the party's "vision."
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/10/alaska_secession/
Well, as long as they're just peaceful separatists, she's in the clear. 
I would like to see a political cartoon about this though, kind of a Betsy Ross thing with Palin ripping the stars off one at a time.
Greetings,
If we really look at this...it is exactly what she is hiding
4. Disqualification for Disloyalty
No person who advocates, or who aids or belongs to any party or organization or association which advocates, the overthrow by force or violence of the government of the United States or of the State shall be qualified to hold any public office of trust or profit under this constitution.
It’s the Alaskan Constitution, and what she hiding with Pres McCain is that same Spirit behind that constitution…. which is finally going to find its way into mainstream Government.... ….
Why do you think the Dems (4. Disqualification for Disloyalty) are freaking out, the GOP is …and has been sending that same message!!
The time for political correctness... is nearing its end! 
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/15/2008 12:10:18 PM
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I think some folks are confused as to what some think she did wrong here and I'm curious exactly what action some of you think she should have taken? The trooper NEEDED to go. Period. Higher ups, for whatever reason, weren't doing their jobs to take action against him (which IMHO is almost criminal). And yet, she gets slapped for using her position for "personal gain". Huh?
Put the koolaid down people...
Okay. So, if I built a bomb and planted it an the trooper's house in order to get rid of him, that's perfectly ethical. He's still gone right? Or if I get the mafia to get rid of him. That's justifiable right? Or even still, what if I blackmail him? That's perfectly alright too isn't it?
Fact: She violated an ethics law. Fact: She lied about what the report said. No one is saying she deserves to go to jail or hell. It's just a plain fact. If she was pulled over for speeding, the fact would be that she was speeding. Why is everyone so up in arms? It's Alaskan law whether you agree with it or not.
Your analogy of killing someone and black mail which is illegal compared to firing someone with just cause which is legal makes no sense at all.
But his is just par for the course with you right?
You are simply sing association transfer propaganda.
Your use of the word 'fact' is loose here too. A report does not create facts. Facts stand on their own. I doubt you even know what the ethic laws say.
In ethical terms it makes perfect sense. Who says Palin broke the law? I didn't.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/15/2008 1:13:40 PM
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Hmmmm, can't prove your point I see.
My point was that you hadn't read it - and I think that has pretty much been proven.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/15/2008 1:55:08 PM
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Here's an interesting story from the AP other questionable acts by Palin in regards to ethics. Don't flame me, I'm just presenting an article for discussion that relates to the original topic.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/14/records-palin-skirted-state-ethics-rules/#commentPaginationTop
"But they say she often claims "
"According to people who worked with her"
"She has cast herself as"
""She doesn't seem to know"
"acts as if she"
Nice article, it's big on hear say, conjecture, and opinions (mostly by whiny democrats) but not on facts.
Oh there was this one:
"Palin has, in fact, reported most of her gifts on her annual financial disclosure forms, something her predecessor never did, according to Alaska Public Offices Commission records. "
The opening said her reformer image took a hit. I disagree, she reformed that bad cop right out of the system. Good for her! Maybe you guys could appreciate it more if we get some cops to tazer you.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/15/2008 2:15:00 PM
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Nice article, it's big on hear say, conjecture, and opinions (mostly by whiny democrats) but not on facts.
We can say that about a lot of conspiracies and smears on both sides regardless of who raised them can't we?
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/16/2008 11:48:07 PM
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... other questionable acts by Palin in regards to ethics.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/14/records-palin-skirted-state-ethics-rules/#commentPaginationTop
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Nice article, it's big on hear say, conjecture, and opinions (mostly by whiny democrats) but not on facts.
NCHORAGE, Alaska -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, whose reformer image took a hit in a report concluding she abused her powers to settle a family score, has skirted state ethics rules before for personal benefit and used her office to help friends and supporters, according to an Associated Press review of records.
That equals facts
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Oh there was this one:
"Palin has, in fact, reported most of her gifts on her annual financial disclosure forms, something her predecessor never did, according to Alaska Public Offices Commission records. "
that's part of her "pandering" to the people's concerns, while her other hand has been busy doing otherwise, obviously.
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RE: What is Sarah Palin Hiding? - 10/17/2008 12:02:48 AM
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ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, whose reformer image took a hit in a report concluding she abused her powers to settle a family score, has skirted state ethics rules before for personal benefit and used her office to help friends and supporters, according to an Associated Press review of records.
That equals facts
And what exactly is "an Associated Press review of records." ?
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