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RE: HPV shot - 10/8/2008 11:49:46 PM
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myka
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With the chickenpox shot, the issue isn't so much time limited immunity as it is the vaccine doesn't always 'take' the first time. Just to be 'safe, they are requiring a second shot to get the ones that didn't work the first time.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/9/2008 7:29:44 AM
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It is funny that some of you are comparing it to the chicken pox vaccine, only becuase I compared it to measles.
(my measles is no longer effective and I can't get a booster. OBGYN said go to my reg dr. Reg dr doesn't keep it on hand because that is for peds. Kid's ped dr won't give it to me because I'm an adult)
Oh, back to topic - I only have one co-worker with a daughter that has talked about it and when I asked if it would 'wear off' - which isn't the medically correct term - and she said that if it does wear out, her daughter will be married / in a committed relationship.
Ummm, that doesn't mean he doesn't have it.
They can't test boys?!?!?!? If it is a virus, don't we all make antibodies and they look for the antibodies in the blood? Educate me, please.
The report I heard on tv, about a year ago, was they felt that the cases of mouth cancer in young men should decrease because the use of tobacco has decreased and it hasn't so they think it is related to HPV so giving them the vaccine would reduce the instances. (yep - try explaining WHY a STD can affect a man that way to your then 13yo son) Knowing that boys can't be tested makes me think it was one therory they were testing and it was a news story because we get manipulated.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/9/2008 8:16:44 AM
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solo_soprano22
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MommaBee, men can get unreliable, faulty tests done (I suppose they have a lot of Type I/Type II errors)...or tests in research still. Like PCR...if some guy wanted me to do one, I could try. You can do tons of tests and still miss the fact that the man was positive, and I hear some tests give overwhelmingly positive results for men who don't have it. There aren't any approved tests. I think one reason why there're no reliable tests is that cell havesting is rather difficult; it's hard to get the right patch of cells from a man's genital area (unless he has something visible you want to test-- like a wart that you can see). In women we can go straight for cervical cells or a lesion/wart. I know there are some other reasons, but they're slipping my mind...maybe I'll remember them later.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/9/2008 9:18:15 AM
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laura...
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I have problems with the mindset that getting this shot will somehow cause a girl to think that she can now go out and be promiscuous. HPV is just one of many sexually transmitted diseases and it certainly doesn't protect one's purity. I would expect that parents would still be teaching their daughters about purity and faithfulness whether or not they got an HPV vaccine. I would also expect them to be teaching about HIV, Clomidia and all the other risks of sexual behavior including pregnancy. This vaccine protects against some strains of one virus...that's it. Perhaps it's our linking it with protection against the consequences of promiscuity rather than just a virus that gives a false sense of "security". I am all for vaccinations to protect against viruses. I do, however, understand many people's reasonable concerns over the safety of this vaccine.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/9/2008 9:27:23 AM
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We can encourage our girls to practice purity, but that is no guarantee that they are going to wind up w/ Mr. Perfect being a virgin. We'd all like that to happen, but that is not always the case. kd
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RE: HPV shot - 10/9/2008 9:27:48 AM
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Mrs.Wifey
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I would expect that parents would still be teaching their daughters about purity and faithfulness whether or not they got an HPV vaccine.
Yeah, but I think the group of parents teaching purity is small compared to those who aren't. Judging by my highschool, it was like 1:10 or 1:15 girls who were being taught purity, the others were being taught to use protection.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/9/2008 9:35:53 AM
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The main reason my 15yo dd won't be getting the vaccine is that IMO it's not safe enough yet.
It's not been sufficiently tried and tested, and I am not having my daughter be a guinea pig.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/9/2008 10:35:24 AM
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laura...
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I would expect that parents would still be teaching their daughters about purity and faithfulness whether or not they got an HPV vaccine.
Yeah, but I think the group of parents teaching purity is small compared to those who aren't. Judging by my highschool, it was like 1:10 or 1:15 girls who were being taught purity, the others were being taught to use protection.
All the more reason we need a vaccine. I don't know if the current one is the safest. If not, I pray that it will be a step towards better.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/9/2008 12:12:22 PM
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I agree that it won't keep girls pure. My thoughts against it is that it isn't time tested yet and for that reason I am not going to make my girls guinea pigs when their chances of needing it are slim.
If I would have my girls get it I probably would just say "It's one of those shots you need" and not tell them what exactly it was for at this point
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RE: HPV shot - 10/9/2008 12:36:23 PM
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I have problems with the mindset that getting this shot will somehow cause a girl to think that she can now go out and be promiscuous. HPV is just one of many sexually transmitted diseases and it certainly doesn't protect one's purity. I would expect that parents would still be teaching their daughters about purity and faithfulness whether or not they got an HPV vaccine. I would also expect them to be teaching about HIV, Clomidia and all the other risks of sexual behavior including pregnancy. This vaccine protects against some strains of one virus...that's it. Perhaps it's our linking it with protection against the consequences of promiscuity rather than just a virus that gives a false sense of "security". I am all for vaccinations to protect against viruses. I do, however, understand many people's reasonable concerns over the safety of this vaccine.
That's exactly how I feel about the issue.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/9/2008 12:49:08 PM
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Roberta_
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The main reason my 15yo dd won't be getting the vaccine is that IMO it's not safe enough yet.
It's not been sufficiently tried and tested, and I am not having my daughter be a guinea pig.
BINGO!
Even if I were not teaching my dd purity, I would not have her get this vaccine. My sister is actually planning to teach her dd's to use protection and she is against the vaccine at this point. It has nothing to do with Christianity. I would feel this way regardless of my religious convictions, or lack there of. It has to do with what we know about this drug and it's side effects.
Manda's exactly right! I'm not raising a guinea pig either.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/9/2008 1:24:23 PM
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Mrs.X
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My sister is actually planning to teach her dd's to use protection and she is against the vaccine at this point.
That's sad considering condoms don't protect against HPV.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/9/2008 1:26:58 PM
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Mrs.Wifey
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My sister is actually planning to teach her dd's to use protection and she is against the vaccine at this point.
That's sad considering condoms don't protect against HPV.
ETA- condoms have been found to reduce the risk of contracting HPV by about 70%.
< Message edited by Mrs.Wifey -- 10/9/2008 1:34:42 PM >
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RE: HPV shot - 10/9/2008 2:49:34 PM
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ATLANTA - One in four teen girls have rolled up their sleeves for the relatively new vaccine against cervical cancer, federal health officials said Thursday.
1 in 4 US teen girls got cervical cancer shot
I don't know why people think this protects against CANCER /sarcasm off.
Seriously. Read the article and note the slant. We are supposed to do it, it is convenient, it is probably covered, you're gonna be there anyhow, and it protects against CANCER. The big scary C-word.
Ok, maybe my sarcasm off switch didn't work.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/9/2008 4:11:37 PM
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Roberta_
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My sister is actually planning to teach her dd's to use protection and she is against the vaccine at this point.
That's sad considering condoms don't protect against HPV.
My guess is that condoms would do just as good of a job of protecting and the side effects are much lower.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/9/2008 4:20:59 PM
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Mrs.Wifey
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My sister is actually planning to teach her dd's to use protection and she is against the vaccine at this point.
That's sad considering condoms don't protect against HPV.
My guess is that condoms would do just as good of a job of protecting and the side effects are much lower.
And you would know that they would continue to work... we don't know how long the vaccine is effective for.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 12:08:35 AM
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I vote no for me, no for daughters. I also think the ads are deceptive- I wind up arguing with the TV whenever they come on. They make it sound like the vaccine prevents ALL cervical cancers, and that the cancers happen just randomly, as opposed to through intimate contact.
Reading the yahoo article, "Merck officials say they are pleased with the [25%] vaccination rate." Follow the money...2.5 million girls (if I'm not misreading the article), at $375 each adds up to a significant amount of money, especially for a vaccine that is essentially undergoing a public trial. Now, I'm not one that believes that drug companies shouldn't make any money, but look at the marketing that has gone into this, the lack of testing, the lack of publicity about side effects, etc.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 12:55:04 AM
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Mrs.X
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My sister is actually planning to teach her dd's to use protection and she is against the vaccine at this point.
That's sad considering condoms don't protect against HPV.
ETA- condoms have been found to reduce the risk of contracting HPV by about 70%.
Oh OK, that must be new information?
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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 10:12:13 AM
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70% if used every time.
50% if used half the time (I think).
I'm not sure how that study was carried out, because it seems difficult to do with adequate controls and variable accounting while being human-based. I might look it up later. :)
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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 10:13:13 AM
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70% if used every time.
50% if used half the time (I think).
I'm not sure how that study was carried out, because it seems difficult to do with adequate controls and variable accounting while being human-based. I might look it up later. :)
How could they conduct such a study when HPV cannot be reliable detected in men.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 10:22:58 AM
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...Part of what I wonder. But I'm also wondering how they know what their sexual activity was...maybe other than a journal or diary the women kept on their own. I suppose maybe they didn't worry about the men and just paid attention to how many encounters the women had with or without condoms, and just checked the women out. <shrugs>
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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 2:25:52 PM
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It just doesn't look like a well-designed study (to me). The sample size was too small (not enough subjects), not randomized (women taken from the same institution and around the same age, even though it's a school, you can find randomized samples of women of all ages, not just one college and basically one age), and the study wasn't carried out long enough (less than one year, if I'm reading correctly). There are ways to get a lot of subjects, make selection randomized and carry out studies longer than that (for what they're trying to test for). I do note that the authors did list shortcomings with their methods, and really, that can affect their findings (toward the bottom of the page)...including reporting by the subjects. I think it needs a do-over. Many more subjects, random subjects (nationwide maybe) and carried out for years. I'd suggest they work with many doctors in conjuction, thousands of subjects from all over the country. The number could be the same, but it could be completely different as well.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 2:39:03 PM
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The commericals bug me because they don't specify that the immunization only protects against certain viruses and that you can still develop cancer from other causes.
I have yet to see a commercial that didn't lay out very clearly what the vaccine can do and what it cannot do.
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RE: HPV shot - 10/10/2008 2:40:11 PM
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solo_soprano22
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Ah, Laura, I meant to say it's hard to know the stats when you can't even tell which women who always used condoms slept with men who had HPV (I know you can tell if they actually get it). It's possible that the women who never got it were never even exposed in the first place and it'd have been a higher risk with a condom had they had intercourse with an infected man. Just seems like a hard thing to get good data on, esp. without knowing the male side of it.
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