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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 3:11:23 PM
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phreddy
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Obama birth certificate
I couldn't get the link to work at this moment. But, I'm assuming that you are linking to the document on the KOS or the one on Obama's site. In which case, the words "Certification of Live Birth" are at the top and it is a computer prinout with limited information.
What needs to be presented is a copy of the VAULT version of his actual birth certificate. This keeps being explained and dismissed.
The VAULT version would have the name of the attending physician and other information that is missing on the peice of paper that Obama has posted. Considering the seriousness of the Constitutional mandate, surely this would be and could be provided by the state of Hawaii if Obama simply asked for it.
Are you and others telling us that he is POWERLESS to do so?
Those certifcations are legal proof dude. You just lost your own argument.
If you are correct, why does Obama not send the certifications to the judge and have the suit dismissed like John McCain did? The problem is that Obama refuses to let anyone see the actual paper certificates and the images online have anomalies that make them look fake when compared to other certificates from the state of Hawaii. It would be very easy for Obama to clear this up instead of delaying the case like he is doing.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 3:13:15 PM
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Obama birth certificate
I couldn't get the link to work at this moment. But, I'm assuming that you are linking to the document on the KOS or the one on Obama's site. In which case, the words "Certification of Live Birth" are at the top and it is a computer prinout with limited information.
What needs to be presented is a copy of the VAULT version of his actual birth certificate. This keeps being explained and dismissed.
The VAULT version would have the name of the attending physician and other information that is missing on the peice of paper that Obama has posted. Considering the seriousness of the Constitutional mandate, surely this would be and could be provided by the state of Hawaii if Obama simply asked for it.
Are you and others telling us that he is POWERLESS to do so?
I appreciate you trying the link.
How about this one?
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 3:14:44 PM
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McCains lawsuit
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A two-page complaint filed March 6 in U.S. District Court in Riverside, Calif., argues that a judge should step in because the constitutional language is not precise, opening questions about the Arizona senator’s standing.
The complaint was filed by Andrew Aames, 52, a Riverside lawyer who has dabbled in local politics, including volunteering for a Democratic congressional campaign. He said he is a registered Republican but previously was a Democrat.
He said he had no political stake in the outcome. A court ruling would clear up any confusion for voters, he added, and McCain has a “very, very good” chance of prevailing.
Here is one that mentions how this was brought up in 2000 as well.
And here from wiki to show why McCain is in fact a natural borne citizen.
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John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and is the Republican nominee in 2008, was born at the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United States,[6] federal law states: "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States."[7] The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born — albeit with retroactive[8] effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen.[9]
Not sure how anyone could question McCains eligibility as he was born to military parents on a military base but it happened.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 3:16:49 PM
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And, as a Christian, let me tell you why your atititude will come back to haunt you.
Sooner or later, the Muslim residents of a state will be in the majority and press for Shariah Law in complete disregard for our Constitution............
Framing Obama:
As much fun as it would be to ask where you get these crazy notions, I think I'd rather not know. If I were you, I'd be more worried about the people feeding you this stuff - They're the REAL scary people.
If you had the number and depth of contacts among Christian nationals in Africa that I have, you would understand the messianic vision of Islam and the importance of Shariah to that messianic vision. Had you been watching events in England and the EU, you would see the constant demands of Shariah pounding at just about every countries constitution. Just because I am awake to the issue and so many others are asleep does not make me a kook. Look at what is happening at Georgtown University!
Did you know that I can't go into a Christian church in THIS country that has a large Nigerian or Ugandan population and talk about the work of Christians in these countries among Muslims for fear that muslim moles posing as Christians will report that back to their home countries. Please open your eyes to what is going on in Africa in countries like the Sudan, Liberia, Nigeria, Uganda, Etheopia and beginning in Mozambique. Even the world banks are pushing something called "Shariah Financing" which is a capitulation to Islamic demands.
There is so much to know about this world-wide drive.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 3:19:23 PM
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You guys keep missing the fact that Obama's birth has already been certified by everyone but the few who hope and wish he's not a natural born citizen. lol Do you know how silly the lawsuit is knowing that even to apply to run for president, this information had to be verified? Do democrats AND republicans have some conspiracy to get Obama elected? Trust me, it would be a bigger issue than Ayers if there was a tiny mustard seed hint of it being an issue. It's not, move on. And the person who filed the lawsuit has nothing better to do than to stir controversy. Plain and simple. If the entire federal government has failed to vet ONE man running for the most powerful office in the world, then we deserve to get attacked again. I just don't believe there's some grand governmental conspiracy to get Obama elected. If anything, knowing the present administration, fake documents would've been drawn up to show Obama wasn't natural born. Get over it.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 3:35:27 PM
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You guys keep missing the fact that Obama's birth has already been certified by everyone but the few who hope and wish he's not a natural born citizen. lol Do you know how silly the lawsuit is knowing that even to apply to run for president, this information had to be verified? Do democrats AND republicans have some conspiracy to get Obama elected? Trust me, it would be a bigger issue than Ayers if there was a tiny mustard seed hint of it being an issue. It's not, move on. And the person who filed the lawsuit has nothing better to do than to stir controversy. Plain and simple. If the entire federal government has failed to vet ONE man running for the most powerful office in the world, then we deserve to get attacked again. I just don't believe there's some grand governmental conspiracy to get Obama elected. If anything, knowing the present administration, fake documents would've been drawn up to show Obama wasn't natural born. Get over it.
Again, ALL that has EVER been given in reegards to Sen Obama's Birth, is a PHOTOCOPY of a Certificate of Live Birth. The original has NEVER BEEN SHOWN OR GIVEN! And as I already have said, it is EASY to forge a PHOTOCOPY of a Certificate of Live Birth if you know what you are doing and have a top end Photoshop program. If Sen Obama has shown a original doccument, there would not be a problem. If he had even shown a certified photocopy of the original hospital Live Birth form (hint...you get a certified photocopy when you get one from state records) it would not be a problem. But he has ONLY shown a photocopy of the Certificate of Live Birth. And that IS not a certifiable copy, and it IS NOT enough to get a job for ordinary citizens.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 3:38:38 PM
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And, as a Christian, let me tell you why your atititude will come back to haunt you.
Sooner or later, the Muslim residents of a state will be in the majority and press for Shariah Law in complete disregard for our Constitution............
Framing Obama:
As much fun as it would be to ask where you get these crazy notions, I think I'd rather not know. If I were you, I'd be more worried about the people feeding you this stuff - They're the REAL scary people.
If you had the number and depth of contacts among Christian nationals in Africa that I have, you would understand the messianic vision of Islam and the importance of Shariah to that messianic vision. Had you been watching events in England and the EU, you would see the constant demands of Shariah pounding at just about every countries constitution. Just because I am awake to the issue and so many others are asleep does not make me a kook. Look at what is happening at Georgtown University!
Did you know that I can't go into a Christian church in THIS country that has a large Nigerian or Ugandan population and talk about the work of Christians in these countries among Muslims for fear that muslim moles posing as Christians will report that back to their home countries. Please open your eyes to what is going on in Africa in countries like the Sudan, Liberia, Nigeria, Uganda, Etheopia and beginning in Mozambique. Even the world banks are pushing something called "Shariah Financing" which is a capitulation to Islamic demands.
There is so much to know about this world-wide drive.
Thanx!
Interesting stuff; I'll try to follow the "breadcrumbs" on this.
I admit we've had our share of Sudenese problems at a work site in my little corner of the world, they were terminated.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 3:46:48 PM
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You guys keep missing the fact that Obama's birth has already been certified by everyone but the few who hope and wish he's not a natural born citizen. lol Do you know how silly the lawsuit is knowing that even to apply to run for president, this information had to be verified? Do democrats AND republicans have some conspiracy to get Obama elected? Trust me, it would be a bigger issue than Ayers if there was a tiny mustard seed hint of it being an issue. It's not, move on. And the person who filed the lawsuit has nothing better to do than to stir controversy. Plain and simple. If the entire federal government has failed to vet ONE man running for the most powerful office in the world, then we deserve to get attacked again. I just don't believe there's some grand governmental conspiracy to get Obama elected. If anything, knowing the present administration, fake documents would've been drawn up to show Obama wasn't natural born. Get over it.
Again, ALL that has EVER been given in reegards to Sen Obama's Birth, is a PHOTOCOPY of a Certificate of Live Birth. The original has NEVER BEEN SHOWN OR GIVEN! And as I already have said, it is EASY to forge a PHOTOCOPY of a Certificate of Live Birth if you know what you are doing and have a top end Photoshop program. If Sen Obama has shown a original doccument, there would not be a problem. If he had even shown a certified photocopy of the original hospital Live Birth form (hint...you get a certified photocopy when you get one from state records) it would not be a problem. But he has ONLY shown a photocopy of the Certificate of Live Birth. And that IS not a certifiable copy, and it IS NOT enough to get a job for ordinary citizens.
I don't think they had Photoshop in the 60s. You assume that there was no birth certificate at all. Are you assuming that Obama was elected as Senator, voted to be on the Foreign Relations Committee, and is running a successful presidential campaign beign the first black nominee (which is a huge mountain to climb in and of itself) with a Photoshopped birth certificate? lol You don't think that's a little over the top?
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 4:04:50 PM
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Wowsers you are so dence....
During THIS ELECTION CYCLE...All Sen Obama has shown is a CURRENT PHOTOCOPY of a Certificate of Birth. I am not saying this was photocopied in the 1960's I am saying it was photocopied with in the past year or two! If it was photocopied from a honest to goodness ORIGINAL then SHOW THE ORIGINAL!
And seeing as there are NO US born requirements to be elected US Senator or sit on any standing committee, no it would not have been a issue up until this point. Technically speaking the Speaker of the House and Senate Pro Temp can be natrualized citizens, but if it had to be where they were to become president they would nto be allowed because of this. Janet Reno was NOT a US born citizen but she was Sec of State. That position is 4th in line to the Presidency, but if during President Clinton's time in office, He, VP Gore, and the House Speaker and Senate Protemp were to die or become incompasitated, she would have been SKIPPED because she was not born in the US.
The ONLY two offices in the US federal governmetn that require a person to be born as a US citizen, is the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. So the whole "Sen Obama served in the Senate and was on the FRC" means NOTHING!
Again, all Sen Obama has shown is a photocopy of the Certificate of Live birth. A photo copy of MY CLB would not be valid to get ME a job, so why should that be the only thing required for Sen Obama?
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 4:26:06 PM
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The problem is that people who deal with reality from an emotional point of view, just do not get it when an issue has to be viewed from a technical or factual point of view.
Over and over we see posters claiming that he HAS presented a "Birth Certificate" when, it is in fact, a Certification of Live Birth that is a very different document than a certified VAULT copy of a Certificate of Live Birth. The information that is contained in each is very, very different. But, that just doesn't seem to sink in because the emotion of wanting him to be perfection itself is just simply too great.
And, they fail to see just how dangerous that view is to their own welfare. Overlooking technical issues of the law may seem expedient; but, it is that human propensity that over and over in history has allowed the most evil of despots to take control and wreak havoc on nations.
Part of it is also the fact that most of those arguing that he HAS complied are younger. I'm guessing that most are not out of college. This probably means that they have been subjected to constructivism in every discipline. So, a computer generated Certification of Live Birth, with minimal information, is the equivalent of a comprehensive signed VAULT COPY of a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH.
Here is an interesting article about the classroom, constructivism and the courts.
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Wowsers you are so dence....
During THIS ELECTION CYCLE...All Sen Obama has shown is a CURRENT PHOTOCOPY of a Certificate of Birth. I am not saying this was photocopied in the 1960's I am saying it was photocopied with in the past year or two! If it was photocopied from a honest to goodness ORIGINAL then SHOW THE ORIGINAL!
And seeing as there are NO US born requirements to be elected US Senator or sit on any standing committee, no it would not have been a issue up until this point. Technically speaking the Speaker of the House and Senate Pro Temp can be natrualized citizens, but if it had to be where they were to become president they would nto be allowed because of this. Janet Reno was NOT a US born citizen but she was Sec of State. That position is 4th in line to the Presidency, but if during President Clinton's time in office, He, VP Gore, and the House Speaker and Senate Protemp were to die or become incompasitated, she would have been SKIPPED because she was not born in the US.
The ONLY two offices in the US federal governmetn that require a person to be born as a US citizen, is the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. So the whole "Sen Obama served in the Senate and was on the FRC" means NOTHING!
Again, all Sen Obama has shown is a photocopy of the Certificate of Live birth. A photo copy of MY CLB would not be valid to get ME a job, so why should that be the only thing required for Sen Obama?
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 4:43:43 PM
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If he has done nothing wrong and is not trying to hide anything then why are they not forthright in providing documents to prove his claim? Because if he doesn't have the standing to even bring the lawsuit there is no reason at all why such information should be provided before absolutely necessary.
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many of us on this forum have stated that we would accept a certified birth certificate but one has not been offered. What has been presented is a photocopy/photograph. Provide a certified copy and I and most of the others here will accept it; What he has posted on his website is similar to what Virginia provided for my son - the caveat is that even though it may be certified, with the raised seal, the seal may be on the back or otherwise may not show up in a digital format. According to Factcheck.org the actual copy has been verified.
One thing is for sure...a court dismissing this case or making some kind of ruling will put an end to the speculation. Which is why Berg filed the case in the first place I believe.
I agree with the poster who says Berg is a publicity seeking attorney. Nuff said....
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 4:48:58 PM
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Wowsers you are so dence....
During THIS ELECTION CYCLE...All Sen Obama has shown is a CURRENT PHOTOCOPY of a Certificate of Birth. I am not saying this was photocopied in the 1960's I am saying it was photocopied with in the past year or two! If it was photocopied from a honest to goodness ORIGINAL then SHOW THE ORIGINAL!
And seeing as there are NO US born requirements to be elected US Senator or sit on any standing committee, no it would not have been a issue up until this point. Technically speaking the Speaker of the House and Senate Pro Temp can be natrualized citizens, but if it had to be where they were to become president they would nto be allowed because of this. Janet Reno was NOT a US born citizen but she was Sec of State. That position is 4th in line to the Presidency, but if during President Clinton's time in office, He, VP Gore, and the House Speaker and Senate Protemp were to die or become incompasitated, she would have been SKIPPED because she was not born in the US.
The ONLY two offices in the US federal government that require a person to be born as a US citizen, is the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. So the whole "Sen Obama served in the Senate and was on the FRC" means NOTHING!
Again, all Sen Obama has shown is a photocopy of the Certificate of Live birth. A photo copy of MY CLB would not be valid to get ME a job, so why should that be the only thing required for Sen Obama?
We resort to name calling? lol Funny thing is YOUR not running for president. let's stop with the name calling. The fact is, Obama is the democratic nominee for president. Fact is, he is leading in the polls. Fact is McCain campaign is in such disarray, there's no chance to in it at this point. Perhaps that's why your so frustrated as to resort to name calling?
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RE: Perhaps this interview will answer some questions - 10/13/2008 5:41:23 PM
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 6:37:50 PM
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Only an Obama supporter would see THAT connection!
I wouldn't vote for Obama in a thousand years - anymore than I'd vote for McCain. I just can't stand the false allegations being brought against him. If you want to disagree with him, do so legitimately - not with strawmen.
And you didn't respond to my point. If the US Government treated every nutjob allegation as serious, nothing would ever get done. Or do you think the US Government should personally respond to every single person who brings up any claim, no matter how far-fetched it is?
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 7:05:22 PM
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 10:42:38 PM
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What your argument seems to imply is that there is an agency of the government that oversees and validates a candidate's qualifications to be president. But, I don't actually believe one exists and certainly nothing happens until someone challenges a candidate's credentials.
One would hope that the political parties would be self policing in this regard. But, as much as we might HOPE this would be the case, there is no ironclad guarantee that either party would have a specific unit who job it is to make sure that candidates do qualify. Can anyone point to a particular person in either party that does this? And even if there were, would they be as technically picky as an interested 3rd party? I dooubt it. That leaves the government.
There are only three branches of government that could make a determination of qualification.
The Legislative is a deliberate body and so is no position to make the determinization on any kind of vote. If all it took was a vote, then the majority would rule to lock out a candidate of the minority party.
The Executive branch could not possibly act for fear of being labeled partisan one way or the other. I can think of no Executive brach body, including the Justice Department or investigative units like the FBI that would dare to make that judgement.
That leaves the court. It truly is the ONLY place for reaching a final conclusion and that is where the question resides right this moment. Hopefully, the court will rule soon.
As to your specific point that this is a straw man, I will once again remind you that McCain has already passed this hurdle in the courts.
And, as for your argument about responding to nutjobs, might I remind you that the 'green' nutjobs have tied this country uo in knots for years, which is why we are paying through the roof for gasoline and one of he reasons we are seeing so many large wildfires. Nutjobs and the courts just seem to be walking arm in arm all the time. 
But, this particular 'nutjob' was a former state prosecutor, so he is a special kind of nutjob.... one with experience. 
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Only an Obama supporter would see THAT connection!
I wouldn't vote for Obama in a thousand years - anymore than I'd vote for McCain. I just can't stand the false allegations being brought against him. If you want to disagree with him, do so legitimately - not with strawmen.
And you didn't respond to my point. If the US Government treated every nutjob allegation as serious, nothing would ever get done. Or do you think the US Government should personally respond to every single person who brings up any claim, no matter how far-fetched it is?
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/14/2008 12:31:03 AM
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One would hope that the political parties would be self policing in this regard.
And I still contend they are. If McCain thought there was any water in this bucket, why isn't he taking it seriously? If it's as obvious as you make it out to be, McCain would win by default. Why isn't he doing anything?
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/14/2008 10:28:05 AM
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If Obama was born in Kenya and can't prove otherwise, why is the man still running as President?
Unbelievable and something needs to be done.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/14/2008 11:43:33 AM
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I don't have a clue as to the McCain campaign's views on this issue. But, the logical explanation is that a lawsuit has been filed and they are simply standing by waiting to see where the chips fall.
For them to get involved might actually rile up some for obama that might otherwise not vote.
And, suppose they had some smoking gun. Wouldn't it be wiser to wait until the eve of the election to pull the trigger? The closer to the election, the more impact. But, we really don't know and can't know until it completely plays itself out.
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One would hope that the political parties would be self policing in this regard.
And I still contend they are. If McCain thought there was any water in this bucket, why isn't he taking it seriously? If it's as obvious as you make it out to be, McCain would win by default. Why isn't he doing anything?
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/14/2008 11:47:00 AM
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For them to get involved might actually rile up some for obama that might otherwise not vote.
But if it's legitimate, then it doesn't matter who it riles up. They won't have Obama to vote for anymore.
Besides, there's no reason for the "official" McCain workers to get involved. I'm sure he has people who could tackle it without getting his hands dirty.
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suppose they had some smoking gun. Wouldn't it be wiser to wait until the eve of the election to pull the trigger? The closer to the election, the more impact.
If that's the case, he's just playing politics, pulling the American people along for personal gain. Not someone I want leading my country.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/14/2008 11:56:10 AM
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While it has been reported that Obama's 'grandmother' claims she was present at his birth as do others, we can't absolutely accept those claims with any definitive level of certainty. It may be that they were simply bragging to a reporter or investigator and didn't understand the ramifications for Obama.
The claims merely let the public know that something MIGHT be amiss that requires his producing the long form of his Birth Certificate.
There are some that contend that Obama's birth was registered in Hawaii four days after his birth. In that case, Hawaii would be right in issuing him a Certification of Live Birth. But, that is not good enough to prove that he was, in fact, born on American soil. True, it's a technicality. But, it's a very important technicality since it is an absolute and inviolable condition set down by our founding document.
The key to the whole thing is the physician's name and signature. If it is an African name with no signature then the certificate was filed post-birth. If there is NO physician signature then it was filed post birth. But, if the attending physician's name and signature came from a verifiable physician practicing in Hawaii, then it indicates that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii.
It's in the court system and we'll see where it goes.
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If Obama was born in Kenya and can't prove otherwise, why is the man still running as President?
Unbelievable and something needs to be done.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/14/2008 12:00:19 PM
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adelphi_sky
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I don't have a clue as to the McCain campaign's views on this issue. But, the logical explanation is that a lawsuit has been filed and they are simply standing by waiting to see where the chips fall.
For them to get involved might actually rile up some for obama that might otherwise not vote.
And, suppose they had some smoking gun. Wouldn't it be wiser to wait until the eve of the election to pull the trigger? The closer to the election, the more impact. But, we really don't know and can't know until it completely plays itself out.
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One would hope that the political parties would be self policing in this regard.
And I still contend they are. If McCain thought there was any water in this bucket, why isn't he taking it seriously? If it's as obvious as you make it out to be, McCain would win by default. Why isn't he doing anything?
Nice try. There are people in here that strongly believe his citizenship is in question. If the McCain campaign can make leaps and stretches with the ayers issue and the sex-education issue, surely they wouldn't hold back on the citizen issue. Actually, McCain himself said that Obama is a citizen. It's up to debate whether or not he meant natural born or otherwise. But the fact is, McCain is mum about it. I mean, this would be such a simple attack if it had a hint of being validated. You go after a flimsy relationship with ayers instead? If that's the case, McCain is too incompetent to be president.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/14/2008 12:29:14 PM
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tracydolls
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IF Bo is not a citizen, then neither is Mccain, he was born in the Panama Canal.
This is so funny, watching the right flop around to find ANYTHING to get this guy.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/14/2008 12:58:41 PM
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Stephanos
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IF Bo is not a citizen, then neither is Mccain, he was born in the Panama Canal.
This is so funny, watching the right flop around to find ANYTHING to get this guy.
You continue to amaze me
Sen McCain was born ON A MILITARY BASE! You DO know that our Military bases are considered US SOIL RIGHT!
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