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Perhaps this interview will answer some questions - 10/13/2008 12:24:19 AM
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TMeeks
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perhaps this interview of Phillip Berg will be helpful to those wanting to understand the issues involved.
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BTW, the reason discovery has been postponed is because the DNC has file a Motion to Dismiss and they want to wait until the judge rules on that before discovery is launched. A perfectly normal method of proceeding in a lawsuit. If the judge grants their motion, there will be no need to launch discovery.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 2:54:44 AM
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BTW, the reason discovery has been postponed is because the DNC has file a Motion to Dismiss and they want to wait until the judge rules on that before discovery is launched. A perfectly normal method of proceeding in a lawsuit. If the judge grants their motion, there will be no need to launch discovery.
It may be a perfectly normal method of proceeding in a lawsuit. However, there is no need to balk against discovery if there is nothing wrong to discover.
If he has done nothing wrong and is not trying to hide anything then why are they not forthright in providing documents to prove his claim?
WHAT IS OBAMA TRYING TO HIDE???
IF THERE IS NOTHING TO HIDE, LET'S PROCEED FORTH WITH DISCOVRY AND PROVE HE HAS NOTHING TO HIDE...............
I, PERSONALLY, CONTEND THE REASON DISCOVERY (UNVEILING OF THE FACTS) HAS BEEN POSTPONED IS BECAUSE HE DOES HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE..........
WHY IS THE DNC BALKING AT THIS SUIT IF THEIR MESSIAH HAS NOTHING TO HIDE??????
I CONTEND IT IS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT THE TRUTH OF THIS MAN TO BE EXPOSED......
DARKNESS HATES THE LIGHT......
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 8:16:41 AM
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BTW, the reason discovery has been postponed is because the DNC has file a Motion to Dismiss and they want to wait until the judge rules on that before discovery is launched. A perfectly normal method of proceeding in a lawsuit. If the judge grants their motion, there will be no need to launch discovery.
It may be a perfectly normal method of proceeding in a lawsuit. However, there is no need to balk against discovery if there is nothing wrong to discover.
If he has done nothing wrong and is not trying to hide anything then why are they not forthright in providing documents to prove his claim?
WHAT IS OBAMA TRYING TO HIDE???
IF THERE IS NOTHING TO HIDE, LET'S PROCEED FORTH WITH DISCOVRY AND PROVE HE HAS NOTHING TO HIDE...............
I, PERSONALLY, CONTEND THE REASON DISCOVERY (UNVEILING OF THE FACTS) HAS BEEN POSTPONED IS BECAUSE HE DOES HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE..........
WHY IS THE DNC BALKING AT THIS SUIT IF THEIR MESSIAH HAS NOTHING TO HIDE??????
I CONTEND IT IS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT THE TRUTH OF THIS MAN TO BE EXPOSED......
DARKNESS HATES THE LIGHT......
Do any you of realize how many lives have been destroyed with this mentality? A man is accused of something, in this case not being a "real American". Careers, personal lives, families have been torn assunder over wild accusations and demands from the accused to "prove" they weren't what some people said they were.
An impossible standard is set because if a document is brought forward none of you would believe it in the first place. It's the old "convince me I'm wrong" tactic and you have no intention of ever admitting that you are wrong. That's not the kind of behaviour I'd expect from Christians and as I see it I no longer wonder why so many people turn from the church.
In fact this very tactic was most effectively used by one Sen. Joseph McCarthy. Coutnless lives were totally destroyed just by the mere accusation of being a communist, of not being a "real American." Seeing this nonsense make an unwelcome back and, what's worse, endorsed and supported by Christians is very disturbing indeed.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 8:37:52 AM
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Phillip Berg is a nut -
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Phil Berg takes special pride in having represented his son, Ian, now 27, who, at age 16, filed as a candidate for District Justice in Pennsylvania. A Court challenge was filed claiming he was violating child labor laws and he was precluded from being on the ballot until Phil took the case to the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania that granted his son the right to be on the ballot.
Phil represented PAWS (Performing Animal Welfare Society) located in Galt, California, 1994 to 1997 (pro bono) in a fight to protect the rights of elephants. Phil filed suit on 8/1/95 against the Federal Government (USDA) to protect circus elephants because of the constant abuse that occurs to elephants. Case was highlighted on 20/20 and Inside America's Courts.
In March 1997 Phil was successful in his "pro bono" effort for 19-year-old Adrienne Buckwalter, the youngest member of the Spring-Ford School Board, whose nominating petitions for election as School Director were challenged.
In 2000, Phil Berg was the first and only attorney to date, in the United States to defeat “Cell Phone” legislation after successfully challenging the law “pro bono” in Hilltown Township, Bucks County, Pennsylvania, said law attempted to ban the use of hand held cell phones while driving.RICO vs Bush
Berg is a publicity seeking lawyer, why would the Obama campaign want to give him a platform before the election?
Let's see how serious Berg is AFTER the election.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Phillip_Berg
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 10:40:15 AM
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WHY IS THE DNC BALKING AT THIS SUIT IF THEIR MESSIAH HAS NOTHING TO HIDE??????
I CONTEND IT IS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT THE TRUTH OF THIS MAN TO BE EXPOSED......
And I contend because it's not worth their time. If politicians spent all their time putting out little fires like this, they wouldn't be able to serve the people who elect them.
If someone came to your place of work, who did not work there, and accused you of embezzlement, even though they had no proof, would you take it seriously?
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 10:45:47 AM
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No, it's not that easy. This document is what Hawaii provides. It is similar to what Virginia provides. It is accepted as proof by EVERYONE but a few disgruntled conspiracy theorists, including one that has filed a suit that will no doubt be dismissed. This certification of live birth is the only thing I've ever had for my son. It is good enough to get a passport, get a drivers license, work for the government. It's good enough for me. I'm sorry, but just because YOU DON'T LIKE what he provided doesn't invalidate what was provided, but it does make you sound like a conspiracy nut.
I agree with relady here. I don't think it's that easy to get a certified photocopy of your birth certificate. I actually thought I was buying a birth cert when i went to Canada, and they sent me a certificate of live birth, my health department told me they don't issue the other
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The problem is that I can get a copy of my birth certificate from the state I was born in (the town no longer exists since it merged into a larger town). All I have to do is send a couple of bucks and they will provide me with a certified (raised seal and all) copy. It will not be a photocopy but instead will be a legal document.
I'm not sure what the big controversy over BO and his certificate is anyway. If indeed he was born in Hawaii as he claims then he should be able to prove it by providing the necessary docs instead of spending a lot of time and money fighting the issue (although in this case it appears that the DNC is the one wasting the time and money)
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 10:54:28 AM
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WHY IS THE DNC BALKING AT THIS SUIT IF THEIR MESSIAH HAS NOTHING TO HIDE??????
I CONTEND IT IS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT THE TRUTH OF THIS MAN TO BE EXPOSED......
And I contend because it's not worth their time. If politicians spent all their time putting out little fires like this, they wouldn't be able to serve the people who elect them.
If someone came to your place of work, who did not work there, and accused you of embezzlement, even though they had no proof, would you take it seriously?
It would take less time to produce a birth certificate that would end the case, than it does to file motion after motion trying to delay and dismiss the case, not to mention the legal fees involved.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 11:02:31 AM
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An impossible standard is set because if a document is brought forward none of you would believe it in the first place. It's the old "convince me I'm wrong" tactic and you have no intention of ever admitting that you are wrong. That's not the kind of behaviour I'd expect from Christians and as I see it I no longer wonder why so many people turn from the church.
Completely false assumption here dude; many of us on this forum have stated that we would accept a certified birth certificate but one has not been offered. What has been presented is a photocopy/photograph. Provide a certified copy and I and most of the others here will accept it; until then the argument remains that for whatever reason BO and the DNC are incapable of producing one.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 11:26:56 AM
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WHY IS THE DNC BALKING AT THIS SUIT IF THEIR MESSIAH HAS NOTHING TO HIDE??????
I CONTEND IT IS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT THE TRUTH OF THIS MAN TO BE EXPOSED......
And I contend because it's not worth their time. If politicians spent all their time putting out little fires like this, they wouldn't be able to serve the people who elect them.
If someone came to your place of work, who did not work there, and accused you of embezzlement, even though they had no proof, would you take it seriously?
It would take less time to produce a birth certificate that would end the case, than it does to file motion after motion trying to delay and dismiss the case, not to mention the legal fees involved.
The case is frivolous. THat's why. His proof of birth is already out there. It's the people that are suing that are asking for an act of congress to approve Obama's birth origin. I wouldn't give the people the time of day either. It's an insult to Obama and the state of Hawaii.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 12:06:28 PM
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I'll tell what INSULTING is. It's that a man who purports to be great enough to be the president of the greatest country on earth is so small that he cannot produce a single piece of paper that would prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is, in fact, eligible.
And, INSULTING is when that person's fan-boys and fan-girls who couldn't care less about his Constitutional acceptability, work so hard to demean those that DO care that EVERY candidate measure up to the requirements of the Constitution by saying that they shouldn't be given the time of day.
And, as a Christian, let me tell you why your atititude will come back to haunt you.
Sooner or later, the Muslim residents of a state will be in the majority and press for Shariah Law in complete disregard for our Constitution. People with the attitude you have towards the sacredness of Constitutional purity will work to let them have their way 'in the interest of peace and harmony.' That's what happened in Nigeria and is happening in England. If the Constitution can be ignored in any part, it can be ignored in all parts and our future generations will lose because we have not stood strong.
In this country, we occasionally have an empty church that is burned. But, in Nigeria and Kenya, when churches are burned it is usally when people are in them. In Nigeria is came with Shariah in the northern states. In Kenya it came with the followers of Obama's cousin who, apparently, were promised Shariah in a document signed by his cousin.
Be weak kneed if you like. But, I will chose NOT to be. And, no mud slinging on your part is going to bother me one little bit. The stakes for my grandchildren are too great.
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The case is frivolous. THat's why. His proof of birth is already out there. It's the people that are suing that are asking for an act of congress to approve Obama's birth origin. I wouldn't give the people the time of day either. It's an insult to Obama and the state of Hawaii.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 1:46:29 PM
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It would take less time to produce a birth certificate that would end the case, than it does to file motion after motion trying to delay and dismiss the case, not to mention the legal fees involved.
There are people who claim the government is hiding alien space crafts in Fort Knox. Should the US Government allow them inside to verify their claims? It would be a simple matter. Why not just let them in and shut them up?
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 2:08:48 PM
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It would take less time to produce a birth certificate that would end the case, than it does to file motion after motion trying to delay and dismiss the case, not to mention the legal fees involved.
There are people who claim the government is hiding alien space crafts in Fort Knox. Should the US Government allow them inside to verify their claims? It would be a simple matter. Why not just let them in and shut them up?
Only an Obama supporter would see THAT connection! 
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 2:26:31 PM
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I'll tell what INSULTING is. It's that a man who purports to be great enough to be the president of the greatest country on earth is so small that he cannot produce a single piece of paper that would prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is, in fact, eligible.
Obama birth certificate
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And, INSULTING is when that person's fan-boys and fan-girls who couldn't care less about his Constitutional acceptability, work so hard to demean those that DO care that EVERY candidate measure up to the requirements of the Constitution by saying that they shouldn't be given the time of day.
False Obama Rumors
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And, as a Christian, let me tell you why your atititude will come back to haunt you.
Sooner or later, the Muslim residents of a state will be in the majority and press for Shariah Law in complete disregard for our Constitution............
Framing Obama:
As much fun as it would be to ask where you get these crazy notions, I think I'd rather not know. If I were you, I'd be more worried about the people feeding you this stuff - They're the REAL scary people.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 2:26:46 PM
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I'm going to rearrange your message for my reply.
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Do any you of realize how many lives have been destroyed with this mentality? A man is accused of something, in this case not being a "real American". Careers, personal lives, families have been torn assunder over wild accusations and demands from the accused to "prove" they weren't what some people said they were.
No one is accusing Obama of being not being a 'real American'. We are simply calling upon him to present documents that would validate his being eligible to hold an office he seeks. That is quite different from what you claim.
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In fact this very tactic was most effectively used by one Sen. Joseph McCarthy. Coutnless lives were totally destroyed just by the mere accusation of being a communist, of not being a "real American." Seeing this nonsense make an unwelcome back and, what's worse, endorsed and supported by Christians is very disturbing indeed.
Actually, it was the very tactics that you claim to hate that brought down Sen. McCarthy. The left vilified him. But, time has a way of revealing the truth and when the Soviet empire crumbled and their archives were opened to the world, we found out that Sen. McCarthy was RIGHT about the communist moles inside our goevernment.
The fact that some 'Christians' still vilify McCarthy, after the truth that he was correct was revealed is, indeed, troubling. But, I suppose that is what happens when a person's leftist agenda overtakes their Christian principles.
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An impossible standard is set because if a document is brought forward none of you would believe it in the first place. It's the old "convince me I'm wrong" tactic and you have no intention of ever admitting that you are wrong. That's not the kind of behaviour I'd expect from Christians and as I see it I no longer wonder why so many people turn from the church.
From the very beginning of this nation, the founders decided to make it quite clear IN THE CONSTITUTION that they felt that any and all presidents should be NATURAL BORN CITIZENS of the United States. It is not a new consition, nor is it a selectively applied condition. It is a FOUNDATIONAL CONDITION.
Any person that seeks the office of president, therefore, automatically takes on the obligation of proving that they do, in fact, have the BASELINE qualifications for that office under the Constitution. It is THEY that have the burden of proof that THEY QUALIFY for the office. It is automatic and simply by running for that office they take on that burden.
If they don't want to take on that responsibility then they do not have to run for that particular office. No one forced hum to run for president. He did so voluntarily.
It is a bit like volunteering to service in the military or in the Senate, where the mere fact that you are taking on that position REQUIRES you to SWEAR AN OATH OF ALLEGIENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION. It isn't OPTIONAL. It comes with the job.
Proving that you are actually a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN comes with the job of running for president. It's as simple as that and it cannot be lightly dismissed by those that believe that our CONSTITUTION means something. I know that is a novel idea on the left. But, for those of us NOT beguiled by socialism it's still an important document.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 2:28:43 PM
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I'll tell what INSULTING is. It's that a man who purports to be great enough to be the president of the greatest country on earth is so small that he cannot produce a single piece of paper that would prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is, in fact, eligible.
News flash! HE already provided the piece of paper online for all to see. Just because it's not in the color, shape, size, and has the signatures you prefer does not invalidate it. My goodness. People think the world revolves around them. If they can't see it, taste it, smell it, then it must not be true.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 2:41:49 PM
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I'm going to rearrange your message for my reply.
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Do any you of realize how many lives have been destroyed with this mentality? A man is accused of something, in this case not being a "real American". Careers, personal lives, families have been torn assunder over wild accusations and demands from the accused to "prove" they weren't what some people said they were.
No one is accusing Obama of being not being a 'real American'. We are simply calling upon him to present documents that would validate his being eligible to hold an office he seeks. That is quite different from what you claim.
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In fact this very tactic was most effectively used by one Sen. Joseph McCarthy. Coutnless lives were totally destroyed just by the mere accusation of being a communist, of not being a "real American." Seeing this nonsense make an unwelcome back and, what's worse, endorsed and supported by Christians is very disturbing indeed.
Actually, it was the very tactics that you claim to hate that brought down Sen. McCarthy. The left vilified him. But, time has a way of revealing the truth and when the Soviet empire crumbled and their archives were opened to the world, we found out that Sen. McCarthy was RIGHT about the communist moles inside our goevernment.
The fact that some 'Christians' still vilify McCarthy, after the truth that he was correct was revealed is, indeed, troubling. But, I suppose that is what happens when a person's leftist agenda overtakes their Christian principles.
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An impossible standard is set because if a document is brought forward none of you would believe it in the first place. It's the old "convince me I'm wrong" tactic and you have no intention of ever admitting that you are wrong. That's not the kind of behaviour I'd expect from Christians and as I see it I no longer wonder why so many people turn from the church.
From the very beginning of this nation, the founders decided to make it quite clear IN THE CONSTITUTION that they felt that any and all presidents should be NATURAL BORN CITIZENS of the United States. It is not a new consition, nor is it a selectively applied condition. It is a FOUNDATIONAL CONDITION.
Any person that seeks the office of president, therefore, automatically takes on the obligation of proving that they do, in fact, have the BASELINE qualifications for that office under the Constitution. It is THEY that have the burden of proof that THEY QUALIFY for the office. It is automatic and simply by running for that office they take on that burden.
If they don't want to take on that responsibility then they do not have to run for that particular office. No one forced hum to run for president. He did so voluntarily.
It is a bit like volunteering to service in the military or in the Senate, where the mere fact that you are taking on that position REQUIRES you to SWEAR AN OATH OF ALLEGIENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION. It isn't OPTIONAL. It comes with the job.
Proving that you are actually a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN comes with the job of running for president. It's as simple as that and it cannot be lightly dismissed by those that believe that our CONSTITUTION means something. I know that is a novel idea on the left. But, for those of us NOT beguiled by socialism it's still an important document.
Alright then I assume you've hunted down John McCain's birth certificate then and checked it out for any inconsistencies then. After all what's good for the goose is good for the gander right? We'd want them both to be held to the same standard wouldn't we?
Oh and so we're clear I'm not a socialist, I just think this lawsuit is the work of a pedestrian intellect that's bordering on racism of the worst variety.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 2:49:29 PM
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Alright then I assume you've hunted down John McCain's birth certificate then and checked it out for any inconsistencies then. After all what's good for the goose is good for the gander right? We'd want them both to be held to the same standard wouldn't we?
Oh and so we're clear I'm not a socialist, I just think this lawsuit is the work of a pedestrian intellect that's bordering on racism of the worst variety.
Regarding McCain.
A lawsuit was filed. He produced his documents. The court was satisfied. And, the problem went away. McCain is under the very same obligation that Obama is under to prove his eligibity under the Constitutional requirements.
I never said that I had to see anything. How can it be racist if EVERY presidential candidate has the same requirement and McCain had to satisfy a court challenge as well? So, in fact, McCain has ALREADY BEEN HELD TO THE SAME STANDARD.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 2:54:20 PM
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Alright then I assume you've hunted down John McCain's birth certificate then and checked it out for any inconsistencies then. After all what's good for the goose is good for the gander right? We'd want them both to be held to the same standard wouldn't we?
Oh and so we're clear I'm not a socialist, I just think this lawsuit is the work of a pedestrian intellect that's bordering on racism of the worst variety.
Regarding McCain.
A lawsuit was filed. He produced his documents. The court was satisfied. And, the problem went away. McCain is under the very same obligation that Obama is under to prove his eligibity under the Constitutional requirements.
I never said that I had to see anything. How can it be racist if EVERY presidential candidate has the same requirement and McCain had to satisfy a court challenge as well? So, in fact, McCain has ALREADY BEEN HELD TO THE SAME STANDARD.
Links for proof please or it never happened.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 2:54:59 PM
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Alright then I assume you've hunted down John McCain's birth certificate then and checked it out for any inconsistencies then. After all what's good for the goose is good for the gander right? We'd want them both to be held to the same standard wouldn't we?
Well seeing as how McCain has had to defend twice his eligibility to be president it is funny that you ask. Know what ole Johnny boy did? He produced the requested documents which was probably harder for him than it would be for BO since he was born to active duty military parents in the canal zone. His eligibility was challenged and he produced the necessary documentation and that was that. Now let's hold both candidates to the same standards, what you say?
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Oh and so we're clear I'm not a socialist, I just think this lawsuit is the work of a pedestrian intellect that's bordering on racism of the worst variety.
ah racism, every body drop your counter arguements. We all know that once the race card is played we should lay down and accept whatever comes our way.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 2:59:10 PM
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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear
Obama birth certificate
I couldn't get the link to work at this moment. But, I'm assuming that you are linking to the document on the KOS or the one on Obama's site. In which case, the words "Certification of Live Birth" are at the top and it is a computer prinout with limited information.
What needs to be presented is a copy of the VAULT version of his actual birth certificate. This keeps being explained and dismissed.
The VAULT version would have the name of the attending physician and other information that is missing on the peice of paper that Obama has posted. Considering the seriousness of the Constitutional mandate, surely this would be and could be provided by the state of Hawaii if Obama simply asked for it.
Are you and others telling us that he is POWERLESS to do so?
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/13/2008 2:59:31 PM
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jkdjr25
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Alright then I assume you've hunted down John McCain's birth certificate then and checked it out for any inconsistencies then. After all what's good for the goose is good for the gander right? We'd want them both to be held to the same standard wouldn't we?
Well seeing as how McCain has had to defend twice his eligibility to be president it is funny that you ask. Know what ole Johnny boy did? He produced the requested documents which was probably harder for him than it would be for BO since he was born to active duty military parents in the canal zone. His eligibility was challenged and he produced the necessary documentation and that was that. Now let's hold both candidates to the same standards, what you say?
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Oh and so we're clear I'm not a socialist, I just think this lawsuit is the work of a pedestrian intellect that's bordering on racism of the worst variety.
ah racism, every body drop your counter arguements. We all know that once the race card is played we should lay down and accept whatever comes our way.
Again, links for proof or it never happened.
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