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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 9/28/2008 2:15:00 PM
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1love1God1way
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Well hey, if it works for Jack Chick...
What's worse? People handing you junk at the airport, or people spamming your inbox?
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 9/28/2008 4:26:22 PM
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MrFribbles
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What's worse? People handing you junk at the airport, or people spamming your inbox?
This is just one of those questions we'll have to leave up to the Lord to decide, once we get to heaven. Like Adam's belly button.
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 9/28/2008 9:11:49 PM
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Just to let them know that God is not a joke. Today it is the new age Love God: everybody will go to paradise because God is good and almost everybody are good people. In the mind of most people, you can sin or say anything about God, He is forgiving everything except big sins.
So that's why i would tell them these stories. I agree it is certainly not the best way to evangelize 
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 9/28/2008 10:16:58 PM
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MrFribbles
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Just to let them know that God is not a joke.
But it doesn't show anything! People die, all the time. It's a stage in life. By showing people's deaths as a "proof" of God, what kind of God are we showing the world?
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 9/28/2008 10:30:16 PM
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Kendra was a vivacious, lovely Christian. She evangelized and loved people. One evening after a night of ministry, while driving home she drifted onto the gravel shoulder, overcorrected, rolled, and died.
Jim was a young man on fire for the Lord. He dedicated his life to serving God in missions. One day, while on a mission trip, the natives he was trying to reach for Christ killed him.
Dietrich was a pastor and theologian. He stood up for God and resisted the ungodly forces around him. They threw him in a concentration camp. Just 3 weeks before the liberation of Berlin by the Allies, he was hanged by the Nazis.
Followers of the Lord - Beware!
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 9/29/2008 5:39:46 PM
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Now, please, let's look at the whole truth here. Our God is to be feared, He is a righteous and Holy God. 'Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap' Those aren't scare tactics, those are words from the Bible. Of course, everyone dies. But 'blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven'. These are words from Christ. Are you honestly trying to say that you don't know the difference between the consequences here? Because if you are, then you are looking at the physical only, ignoring the only lasting, eternal life. You must look at God as Who He has revealed Himself to be, in His entirety.
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 9/29/2008 5:45:39 PM
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Who are you talking to, SuccessinTruth?
My post is merely an example of how one's actions and faith don't lead one to death. Of course eternity is the difference, but posting that "Joe cursed at God, and then he died" doesn't mean anything other than that someone died without Christ. Making it into some fear tactic is... hyperbole.
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 9/29/2008 7:24:59 PM
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Who are you talking to, SuccessinTruth?
My post is merely an example of how one's actions and faith don't lead one to death. Of course eternity is the difference, but posting that "Joe cursed at God, and then he died" doesn't mean anything other than that someone died without Christ. Making it into some fear tactic is... hyperbole.
I believe that there are times when one's actions and faith do lead to death. Not always, of course, that's very apparent. But God is not impotent, and He's not to be taken lightly. There are numerous cases today when a person stands up for Christ knowing that doing so may cost him his freedom, or his life. God may not act as He did in the time of Moses, but that doesn't mean He does not act. We cannot know how many times someone has challenged God and been brought to his knees. Sometimes the consequences are so obvious that we are mislead into thinking that God wasn't involved. Just because we can't see His hand doesn't mean it isn't there. Again, God has revealed to us Who He is and what His attributes are. He hasn't changed. Do you know that when Joe cursed God, that God didn't remove His hand from him and let him face his just reward? I don't know, but I do know that God does.
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 9/29/2008 8:42:45 PM
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I agree with you - God CAN "take out" people if He so chooses.
But the list in the OP - can we really say that they died because of their "mocking" God? The OP makes it sound like we know the mind of God, that if someone mocks God, watch out or you'll get hit by lightning. That isn't necessarily the case. Some mockers of God live for decades and decades. Other mockers of God are drawn by God and become followers of Christ! So I don't think we can say with any certainty that God will smite those who mock Him.
Before we became Christians, we all mocked God in some way, shape, or form. Thank God (literally) that He didn't throw a holy hand grenade at us the moment we did so... and we should pray for mercy for those who are currently mocking God, not saying, "Mockers of God, beware! You'll get smitten by the Holy Thumb if you dare mock God!"
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 9/30/2008 12:34:20 AM
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There are many possibilities with God. Nothing is impossible with Him. He is Almighty and He does He pleases.
We dont know His mind but still its a possibility that He Will take out those who openly and publicly mock Him than those who dont.
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 9/30/2008 3:13:59 AM
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Yet Dawkins lives.
I obviously can't speak for all non-theists, but I do offer a non-theistic view of the topic.
As an ignostic, I see this whole proposition as absurd. Not only the proposition that God spends his spare time picking off blasphemous pop-stars, but the proposition that this idea would scare any non-believer into believing.
If one does not believe that God exists, claiming that he does make a hobby of offing pop-stars is probably counter to your goals. As 1love1God1way so concisely pointed out, everybody, including the most faithful, die. The briefest cursory glance at history can pick out a dozen names from every walk of life that have suffered similar deaths to those mentioned in the OP, regardless of faith or lack of.
Going on to claim that God took a personal interest in the PR of these celebrities makes your god seem like an insecure, temperamental, small-minded one.
This is obviously not how you'd like your god to be represented. Personally, I'd recommend abandoning this tactic. I seriously doubt you'll convert anyone with this list, and you'll probably end up losing credibility in the eyes of non-believers who see the list, therefore losing opportunity to convert them via better tactics.
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 9/30/2008 2:43:15 PM
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Follow God . . . you may die tragically. . .
Don't follow God . . . you may die tragically . . .
That's all I got to say about that.
It's sad to see Christians dismissing the judgment of God on mockers in this flippant fashion.
The point raised by the OP was not whether death is or can be tragic (which it is) but whether God brings immediate and swift judgment on those who mock Him.
Scripture makes it very clear that He does indeed bring such judgment on those who mock Him (or even His servants, as in the case of Elisha and those who mocked him).
Therefore mockers should indeed beware, and Christians should not seek to flippantly dismiss this matter as of no consequence (which would be indirect mockery also).
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 9/30/2008 2:57:08 PM
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There are many possibilities with God. Nothing is impossible with Him. He is Almighty and He does He pleases.
We dont know His mind but still its a possibility that He Will take out those who openly and publicly mock Him than those who dont.
I would be MORE afraid to speak for God and, thereby, attributing Satan's work as His judgment than to leave His business to Him.
And if God doesn't take credit by prophesying judgment ahead of time as He did in the Bible, then nobody involved would receive the event as coming from Him.
Any looney-tune can attribute judgment AFTER the fact.
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 9/30/2008 3:00:58 PM
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Scripture makes it very clear that He does indeed bring such judgment on those who mock Him (or even His servants, as in the case of Elisha and those who mocked him).
And when scripture shows that to happen, we don't have to guess whether it's from Him. Everybody KNOWS, not just special people who thinks God is just a cosmic cop waiting for someone to mess up so He can squash them like a nasty little roach.
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 9/30/2008 3:49:03 PM
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The point raised by the OP was not whether death is or can be tragic (which it is) but whether God brings immediate and swift judgment on those who mock Him.
But He doesn't. If that were so, then why is Hugh Hefner still alive? Why did Hitler persist for so long? Why is Bill Maher's movie going to be released?
God is not sitting in heaven with His finger on the Smite button. Death happens. It's not always directly caused by God, no matter what a person's previous actions were.
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 9/30/2008 4:51:48 PM
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1love1God1way
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Follow God . . . you may die tragically. . .
Don't follow God . . . you may die tragically . . .
That's all I got to say about that.
It's sad to see Christians dismissing the judgment of God on mockers in this flippant fashion.
The point raised by the OP was not whether death is or can be tragic (which it is) but whether God brings immediate and swift judgment on those who mock Him.
Scripture makes it very clear that He does indeed bring such judgment on those who mock Him (or even His servants, as in the case of Elisha and those who mocked him).
Therefore mockers should indeed beware, and Christians should not seek to flippantly dismiss this matter as of no consequence (which would be indirect mockery also).
I wasn't making flippantly the mocking of the Lord, I was dismissing the spam email.
I agree with God's judgment against mockers. I don't agree with how this email is used to present it.
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 10/1/2008 3:38:42 PM
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By scare tactics? Make them scared of God? No thanks.
I agree with you, 1love1God1way. Scare tactics definitley are a turn off if you want mockers to repent. However, we must have in our hearts a fear of God, knowing that everything we do is known by Him and everything we do represents Him. We are God's witnesses to the world.
When we have this fear in our hearts - not an "AHH! I'm gonna get smote!" kind of fear, more of a "God's always watching me, I better behave." kind of fear. - that's the kind of fear we need to guide us in living His way.
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 10/2/2008 1:08:18 AM
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First of all
a) The post was not to scare anyone into believing. It wasnt meant to be evangelistic! 
b) Theres no doctrine in those who mock the LORD will die as much as the Lord must heal a believer.
c) It is a post to warn those who do such may face such consequences as those famous names did
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 10/2/2008 10:25:39 AM
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So once "those who do so" are warned, what's the aim? To get them to stop mocking? Okay, but they still are going to hell. If anything, something addressed to mockers SHOULD be evangelistic or else it's useless.
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 10/2/2008 10:41:02 PM
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If anything, something addressed to mockers SHOULD be evangelistic or else it's useless.
Thats a different story....this isnt an evangelistic message
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 10/2/2008 10:46:54 PM
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Thats a different story....this isnt an evangelistic message
Okay then, back to the post you quoted:
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So once "those who do so" are warned, what's the aim?
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 10/3/2008 11:44:04 PM
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So once "those who do so" are warned, what's the aim?
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c) It is a post to warn those who do such may face such consequences as those famous names did
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 10/3/2008 11:55:58 PM
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To warn them to... what? Stop mocking? Or turn them to Christ?
Seems like it'd be more worthwhile to turn them to Christ. The mocking may stop, but the heart may not be changed.
If a doctor tells someone they have cancer and leaves it at that, what good is it? Wouldn't it be better to give them a remedy instead of leaving them with the diagnosis?
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RE: Mockers of the Lord- Beware! - 10/6/2008 1:24:38 AM
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To warn them to... what? Stop mocking? Or turn them to Christ?
Seems like it'd be more worthwhile to turn them to Christ. The mocking may stop, but the heart may not be changed.
If a doctor tells someone they have cancer and leaves it at that, what good is it? Wouldn't it be better to give them a remedy instead of leaving them with the diagnosis?
Again thats a different issue and not the point of this thread.....This isnt about cancer....its not even about men......its about God. i believe that God is Almighty and deserves the fear and reverence.....
also what good to witness to them is they dead? 
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