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Job Outlook Tied to Help Wanted Ads - 8/28/2008 7:09:10 PM
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Oh yeah, things are really starting to look good...
"July is typically a slow month in terms of labor demand, but this month advertised vacancies were weaker than we would expect," said Gad Levanon, Senior Economist at The Conference Board. "There is little evidence of any approaching turning point in labor demand. Changes in the volume of job advertising typically lead employment trends, and considering the declines in advertised vacancies for all of 2008, the outlook for the labor market remains gloomy — exactly the sentiment weighing on consumer attitudes."
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 7:40:35 PM
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Oh by the way who really reads the newspaper any more? I am in my mid twenties and all my friends (including older ones) laugh at me when I buy one.
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"Like The Conference Board's long running Help-Wanted Advertising Index of print ads (which was published for over 55 years and discontinued in July 2008 but will continue to be available for research), the new online series is not a direct measure of job vacancies."
Perhaps its not the newspaper their laughing at? It was only discontinued last month so this month would be the first month that it isn't being used and has switched over to online sources. But it still is being monitored now for research.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 9:35:38 PM
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I hate hearing people lump working immigrants in with illegal immigrants. It's just plain racism.
Hummmmm...why is there teen unemployment?
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 11:26:52 PM
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That article is badly written and does not address what I was saying.
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I hear a guy on the radio the other day and he said the reason you don't see jobs for teens anymore is because illegal immigrants have taken those low paying jobs away from them. I never thought of it before but it does make sense.
Immigrants are working, and that is a good thing. But being an immigrant does not make one illegal, and that is what I took offense at in your post. Most of those hardworking people are here legally.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 11:51:20 PM
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That article is badly written and does not address what I was saying.
Yes, I see...so you must have your Ph.D. in Economics too?
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 11:52:56 PM
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One doesn't need a PhD in economics to recognize bad writing, lol, or to find out whether what is being said applies to their statement or not.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 11:55:01 PM
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Ha..ha..ha...ROTFL...:-)
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 11:59:35 PM
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Ha..ha..ha...ROTFL...:-)
Are you, by chance, the author of the article in question?
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/29/2008 12:14:41 AM
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That article is badly written and does not address what I was saying.
Yes, I see...so you must have your Ph.D. in Economics too?
It was a poorly written article, with little fact to back it up. These are the reasons she gives for teens not having jobs-
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Highlighted in the article are three reasons for the recent loss of teenage jobs. First, adult workers are taking the jobs as the economy grows very slowly. Second, teenagers are increasingly spending their summers preparing for competitive college applications. Third, Mexican immigrants are competing for some of the same jobs.
The second reason is COMPLETELY controlled by the teen, so you can't even claim that one. Also, there are TONS of jobs in our area(metro Denver) but they are not the jobs that teens want to work. They don't want to work fast food, or at a car wash, or any other "menial" job. Personally, I think the majority of them need to get a grip and get rid of their entitlement attitude.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/29/2008 12:48:57 AM
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I hear a guy on the radio the other day and he said the reason you don't see jobs for teens anymore is because illegal immigrants have taken those low paying jobs away from them. I never thought of it before but it does make sense.
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Immigrants are working, and that is a good thing. But being an immigrant does not make one illegal, and that is what I took offense at in your post. Most of those hardworking people are here legally.
You took offense at the above sentence and you think I should take out the "illegal" and just leave it as "immigrants have taken those low paying jobs away from them." That's your gripe. So what your saying is that immigrants are incapable of obtaining anything but the low paying jobs that teens normally obtain? Or is it that you believe that legal immigrants occupy most of the low paying jobs because they just don't qualify for the better jobs? If its a low paying job than its probably just a immigrant in the position? You know its pretty sad that you view legal immigrants as hardworking people who mostly occupy menial jobs with low pay. I certainly don't share that point of view with you. Geeeesh Jenny-Fair....now your really sounding raciest to me.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/29/2008 12:57:57 AM
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I hear a guy on the radio the other day and he said the reason you don't see jobs for teens anymore is because illegal immigrants have taken those low paying jobs away from them. I never thought of it before but it does make sense.
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Immigrants are working, and that is a good thing. But being an immigrant does not make one illegal, and that is what I took offense at in your post. Most of those hardworking people are here legally.
You took offense at the above sentence and you think I should take out the "illegal" and just leave it as "immigrants have taken those low paying jobs away from them." That's your gripe. So what your saying is that immigrants are incapable of obtaining anything but the low paying jobs that teens normally obtain? Or is it that you believe that legal immigrants occupy most of the low paying jobs because they just don't qualify for the better jobs? If its a low paying job than its probably just a immigrant in the position? You know its pretty sad that you view legal immigrants as hardworking people who mostly occupy menial jobs with low pay. I certainly don't share that point of view with you. Geeeesh Jenny-Fair....now your really sounding raciest to me.
Um, she was defending immigrants, not being racist.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/29/2008 1:06:23 AM
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Um, she was defending immigrants, not being racist.
Yes, I believe she was defending immigrants but in the process she shared with us her immigrant belief system and that was truly the sad part. Her words speak for themselves. I'm speechless.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/29/2008 1:06:42 AM
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You took offense at the above sentence and you think I should take out the "illegal" and just leave it as "immigrants have taken those low paying jobs away from them." That's your gripe. So what your saying is that immigrants are incapable of obtaining anything but the low paying jobs that teens normally obtain? Or is it that you believe that legal immigrants occupy most of the low paying jobs because they just don't qualify for the better jobs? If its a low paying job than its probably just a immigrant in the position? You know its pretty sad that you view legal immigrants as hardworking people who mostly occupy menial jobs with low pay. I certainly don't share that point of view with you. Geeeesh Jenny-Fair....now your really sounding raciest to me.
Trust me, I am not a very racy person.
And that is not at all what I am saying. I was simply saying that I am tired of hearing people talk about all immigrants as if they are illegal, when that is definitely not the case.
As for immigrants taking away jobs, how is that even possible? These are minimum wage jobs we are talking about. It isn't as if the guy who moved up from El Salvador six months ago is going to work cheaper than the teenager up the street. So there is something that the immigrants are doing that is getting them these entry-level jobs that the native-to-here teens are not doing, and that is not the fault of the immigrants, it is the fault of the teens (and their parents, of course).
And as for how I view newly immigrated people, you are twisting my words. Of course when they are first here they generally are working entry-level jobs, because if they had the training for a higher-level job they probably would not have felt the need to emigrate (unless, of course, we are talking of scientists and so on). Once they have a better command of the language and such, in my experience, they move up in the working world just as you or I would, go to college, etc. I know one family where the husband worked an entry-level job during the day and fixed cars at night until he had saved enough money to buy property on which to both live and run an auto-repair shop. Teenagers who work that hard are few and far between. I know one young man, in fact I went to college with him, who picked apples during harvest season and earned enough money in just that short time to support him the rest of the year while he went to school. But apple-picking is too lowly for all the teens I know (whose parents don't own orchards).
I come from an area where the population of non-hispanic whites was less than 50%. We were the only such family in our apartment building. I have nothing but respect for my friends and neighbors who have come from other places to try to make a better life for their families. I have worked in Guatemala in a village where few had shoes, and most of the children did not go to school because they had to work. They worked hard and knew their family's livelihood depended upon them. This is not how American kids are raised, and when they get to working age, they already have an attitude that their employer owes them. I have worked with these kids. I wouldn't want to hire them, either.
My twelve year old is working six hours a day at a good wage. Why do you suppose someone would hire a 12 year old instead of a 16 year old? I can only assume it's because he didn't know any 16 year olds who knew how to work hard.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/29/2008 1:36:35 AM
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My twelve year old is working six hours a day at a good wage. Why do you suppose someone would hire a 12 year old instead of a 16 year old? I can only assume it's because he didn't know any 16 year olds who knew how to work hard.
What good wage job are you talking about....babysitting?
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/29/2008 9:39:02 AM
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My twelve year old is working six hours a day at a good wage. Why do you suppose someone would hire a 12 year old instead of a 16 year old? I can only assume it's because he didn't know any 16 year olds who knew how to work hard.
What good wage job are you talking about....babysitting?
I got my first job at 12 (and that was in 1980). I was a caddy at a country club in the Detroit area. (for anyone who might be familiar with the Detroit area, it was Orchard Lake CC)... They had an established and organized caddy program, with "fixed rates" for each round of golf....which was almost "supplemented" with a decent tip, as well. You started the round off with a card you would give your golfer.....he would fill it out at the end (indicate tip...and "rate" performance, as an "excellent", "good", "fair" or "poor"....you got a certain amount of points for the "performance", which were recorded...and at the end of the season, those with the most points, got rewarded. There were 4 different "levels" of caddy, as well. The higher the "level", the more your "base pay" was.
In 1980, it didn't take long (usually by mid-way through 2nd year), you could make 3rd highest level...called "Captain" (very rarely was anyone "promoted" to "honor caddy"...that was reserved for the most exceptional ones)....I believe that was $12 for the "flat fee"....and the tip typically ranged from $5 - $10 (if it happened to be a tournament, and your golfer did exceptionally well, you were "well compensated" ($50-$100)....twice, I had golfers who made a "hole in one", and that brought out the generosity, as well.......a round of golf takes roughly 4 hours.....and, again, this is in 1980....weekly, we turned in our cards to get paid...IN CASH....no taxes.....(two rounds of work was USUALLY what you could expect in one day....weather permitting, of course...though, one day, I was able to squeeze in three).....in the middle of the summer, that meant probably about 10 rounds a week (you could work as little or often as you wanted)....so, do the math....VERY VERY good money for a kid.
there really wasn't an "interview" process for getting the job. as long as you went through "training", bought the shirts/uniform, stayed out of trouble while at the club, and did your job (with minimal complaints from members about your performance), you did just fine. Of course, as the summer went on, there was alot of "attrition", as many kids, who thought it was "easy money", gave up because they realized it was pretty hard work. But, for me, while it was alot of work....it was fun, as well. Got to meet ALOT of very nice business people and a number of famous people, as well.
I think I did the caddy thing for 5 or 6 years.
as far as I know, that program is still continuing....haven't been by there in years (since i have moved out of state)....i keep on thinking that the next time I am up in Detroit, I need to stop by the country club, and pick up a golf shirt from their pro shop.\
so, that's my story of how I started "working" when I was 12. (when I say I started working at 12, I feel like the old man who goes on and on about how he had to walk 5 miles to school in the 3 feet of snow...uphill....barefoot...)
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/29/2008 10:07:02 AM
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Yep, those were the good ol' days. I think you may be sadden to find that those jobs are no longer being done by kids.
My brother and I had paper routes when we were young. I found out when I was in high school that you can earn money for keeping score at the bowling alley. When I needed some spare money I would go there and spend a few hours keeping score. Jobs for teens were plentiful back then. They aren't anymore. A lot of companies have been able to reduce their insurance cost by hiring only adults. Since the market is now saturated that works.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/29/2008 10:51:01 AM
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Yep, those were the good ol' days. I think you may be sadden to find that those jobs are no longer being done by kids.
My brother and I had paper routes when we were young. I found out when I was in high school that you can earn money for keeping score at the bowling alley. When I needed some spare money I would go there and spend a few hours keeping score. Jobs for teens were plentiful back then. They aren't anymore. A lot of companies have been able to reduce their insurance cost by hiring only adults. Since the market is now saturated that works.
WELL...around here there are PLENTY of opportunities for teenagers to work (I doubt that, these days, ANYONE would expect their 12 year old to go off and work...on their own like I did)....
BUT, what else is different? Our society is MUCH more affluent than it was a generation ago. Teenagers around here don't HAVE to work...don't get me wrong, plenty DO work summer jobs....but, many do not.
SO, what do kids at my church (for example) do all summer? There's summer camps....mission trips....sports leagues and camps (especially if you're an exceptional athlete with scholarship potential)....summer school for those wanting to "get ahead" for the upcoming year and/or college....and, for the "older teens"? it's no problem to get a job as a server at any of the ZILLION restaurants in our immediate area....Chili's is a popular place....so is "The Apple Store"....
back in "my day"....work was something I did because I needed my own money to buy anything that was beyond the "bare necessities".....today, that "requirement" does not exist for most kids....MY OWN kids have FAR more than I could have ever dreamed when I was their age.
Paper routes? More can be done with adults driving cars....with greater reliability.
Keep score at bowling alley? What bowling alley doesn't have automatic scoring these days?
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/29/2008 11:57:48 AM
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My twelve year old is working six hours a day at a good wage. Why do you suppose someone would hire a 12 year old instead of a 16 year old? I can only assume it's because he didn't know any 16 year olds who knew how to work hard.
What good wage job are you talking about....babysitting?
Um, no. Although he likes kids and works in the church nursery every chance he gets, his job is helping refurbish a house and he is now making 8 bucks an hour (started at six).
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/31/2008 7:18:04 AM
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OK, to sum things up here. When you hear the word "immigrant," hardworking, low pay, menial job comes to mind. And you send your 12-year-old son out to work for 30 or is it 36 hours a week? Does he work a 5 day work week or do Saturdays come into play as well?
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/31/2008 11:51:10 AM
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OK, to sum things up here. When you hear the word "immigrant," hardworking, low pay, menial job comes to mind.
No. I have known plenty of relatively new residents of this country who worked jobs far better than mine. When I hear the word 'immigrant' generally what comes to my mind is questions--where are they from, do they like it here, etc.
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And you send your 12-year-old son out to work for 30 or is it 36 hours a week? Does he work a 5 day work week or do Saturdays come into play as well?
I don't send him out. A man who had seen him work came and asked if he could hire him, and I asked my son, and he said he wanted to do it. So he did. The money is his to do with as he pleases (after tithing and putting 10 percent in his savings account). He bought a BB gun and I think is going to save up for a laptop now.
5 day weeks, and he says his job will probably be ending soon as his boss is moving to Iraq, and they are just about done with the house.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 9/19/2008 7:13:27 PM
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And where you're looking. The job market is really a local and industry specific thing. It's a bit misleading to talk about a "national" job market. Overall, the job market is relatively good by historical standards. Jobless claims are at mild recessionary levels, but overall unemployment is still at a reasonably healthy level. GDP in the 2nd quarter was up strongly on export activity - that seems to be the brick holding up the entire wall.
Sure, there are storm clouds on the horizon. US GDP is likely to decline from the 2nd quarter's 3.3% increase as some of the overseas economies are showing signs of slowing (notably Germany). Home prices continue to erode. Unemployment is likely to increase, and jobless claims will probably stay elevated for some time to come.
Still, I'm cautiously optimistic. We entered this crisis from a stronger position than normal. While households were overleveraged, corporations (which create all the jobs) have kept debt fairly well controlled and are in good shape (other than financial firms - that's another story.) Exports are performing well. Consumer spending hasn't yet taken the big hits that we've expected, though that's certainly an ongoing possibility. While unemployment is increasing, we are starting from a base of very high employment. We can feel fortunate that unemployment can increase dramatically from these levels without hitting the post-depression highs we saw around 1984.
We should start to see the impacts of the Fed's easing of monetary policy sometime over the next 12 months (normal lag times are 6-18 months, and the fed started easing about a year ago, albeit a bit slowly.) Home prices are declining, but the pace of the declines is slowing. The inventory of unsold homes has been stable at around 11 months now since about May. Banks have a long way to go to repair their balance sheets, but the process is underway and will continue. So far, all but the most troubled institutions have been able to raise capital.
For those of you looking for jobs (that includes me right now) - keep your chin up. It's got to get better sometime.
I can't say I share your optimism. Like I said from the start we are just beginning this downward trend and things will get much worse. This morning I was listening to the news and they had the leading democrat and republican leaders on the Senate Banking Committee who stated in agreement that they felt if government didn't do the bail out that we were only a few days away from our financial institutions suffering a complete and total collapse.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 9/20/2008 10:35:42 AM
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I agree that there are not a lot of help wanted ads in the paper. Some employers now go through temp services or the local unemployment office. Monster and Career Builder are a waste of time.
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