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Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 10:51:34 AM
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Geeeeeeeesh...today Los Angeles Times had less than a half page of Employment ads. I can remember when I was looking for a job that there were like 10 pages. You know that times are hard. I really feel it for our teenagers who are going to looking for a job. I hear a guy on the radio the other day and he said the reason you don't see jobs for teens anymore is because illegal immigrants have taken those low paying jobs away from them. I never thought of it before but it does make sense.
I tell you, after looking at today Los Angeles Times, it is tough finding a job and it looks like it is only going to get tougher.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 10:56:23 AM
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You might find that most of the help wanted adds have drifted over to online sources like Monster.com, Indeed.com or the online classifieds of your local paper. Also craigslist oddly enough has proven to be a decent source. I think what you're noticing is partly a secular change in the industry away from paper ads.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 11:05:28 AM
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Even here in Dallas....the job market is robust...though, not many ads in the paper....why?
Monster.com (very effective and economical compared to newspapers).....newspapers are VERY limited in "Geographic Reach"....people who live in Dallas generally DO NOT read the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, for instance. And, yet, I have this job here in Fort Worth thanks to Monster.
the MANY other job sites out there...whether it's Yahoo! Jobs....or, if it's a professional organization's website, which allows for "wanted ads" to be posted (like the Dallas Society for Visual Communications)....
Employer's websites - many companies simply have a place on their own websites, which list openings.....so, for them that's a FREE resource. The website is already there...may as well use it to it's fullest potential.
and, for the many stores, restaurants and such......just put a sign in the window. (and beg and plead for people to come and work in your "big box" store for $12+/hour.....)
newspaper readership is DOWN (due to the many, many other sources for news that have developed over the past several years....and the UP TO DATE aspect of those other sources).....and, employers know that newspapers are not the most effective way to reach job hunters.
THOUGH, still, if you're unemployed and out of work (which, no matter how good or bad the economy is....SOMEONE is always in that position).....it doesn't hurt to look at the Sunday paper and take a look at the ads.....cause you never know who might put an ad in there.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 11:22:56 AM
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I guess it depends on what job your looking for. I have four of my neighbors who are out of work. One is a computer programmer who started with the punch cards. He hasn't been able to find a job in six months. I talked to him the other day and he said he register at the local college and is going back to school. My next door neighbor is in the banking industry and she is just waiting for the other shoe to fall off. He thinks she has a month or two before she gets hit with the next round of lay offs. I have some construction worker neighbor who are on a day-to-day basis. Some weeks are good and some are few. So far they have been able to keep their heads above water.
Job market good? No, that isn't what Bloomberg has to say. Certainly not what I am looking at. News keeps telling me companies are planning more lay offs for the bottom line and more stores are closing. Heard yesterday that the Feds say 30% more banks are on the default watch list. No, we have had it pretty good for and unusually long period of time. I hope you have been storing some away because the storm is on the horizon. This is a time to dig in.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 11:45:34 AM
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I guess it depends on what job your looking for.
And where you're looking. The job market is really a local and industry specific thing. It's a bit misleading to talk about a "national" job market. Overall, the job market is relatively good by historical standards. Jobless claims are at mild recessionary levels, but overall unemployment is still at a reasonably healthy level. GDP in the 2nd quarter was up strongly on export activity - that seems to be the brick holding up the entire wall.
Sure, there are storm clouds on the horizon. US GDP is likely to decline from the 2nd quarter's 3.3% increase as some of the overseas economies are showing signs of slowing (notably Germany). Home prices continue to erode. Unemployment is likely to increase, and jobless claims will probably stay elevated for some time to come.
Still, I'm cautiously optimistic. We entered this crisis from a stronger position than normal. While households were overleveraged, corporations (which create all the jobs) have kept debt fairly well controlled and are in good shape (other than financial firms - that's another story.) Exports are performing well. Consumer spending hasn't yet taken the big hits that we've expected, though that's certainly an ongoing possibility. While unemployment is increasing, we are starting from a base of very high employment. We can feel fortunate that unemployment can increase dramatically from these levels without hitting the post-depression highs we saw around 1984.
We should start to see the impacts of the Fed's easing of monetary policy sometime over the next 12 months (normal lag times are 6-18 months, and the fed started easing about a year ago, albeit a bit slowly.) Home prices are declining, but the pace of the declines is slowing. The inventory of unsold homes has been stable at around 11 months now since about May. Banks have a long way to go to repair their balance sheets, but the process is underway and will continue. So far, all but the most troubled institutions have been able to raise capital.
For those of you looking for jobs (that includes me right now) - keep your chin up. It's got to get better sometime.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 11:51:20 AM
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I really feel it for our teenagers who are going to looking for a job. I hear a guy on the radio the other day and he said the reason you don't see jobs for teens anymore is because illegal immigrants have taken those low paying jobs away from them. I never thought of it before but it does make sense.
I'm in SoCal too. I hear and read the same thing, about the II's, but that's not what I'm being told by people in the trenches. Those comments seem to simply be coming from a political agenda with the purpose of stirring up emotions. The people that I know that are hiring entry level positions, say that most (not all) of the teenagers have terrible work ethics. And as a group, the immigrants have much better work ethics. So they tend to stay away from teenagers and hire immigrants. That said, they will hire a teenager whose work ethic they know or who shows potential.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 11:55:29 AM
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That's exactly what my brother said while he was still in business. He hired legal immigrants all day long, but would avoid high school / college kids. The guys he hired worked like fiends. Or he worked them like a fiend, I'm not sure which. Either way, they got a lot done.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 12:09:44 PM
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Job market good? No, that isn't what Bloomberg has to say. Certainly not what I am looking at. News keeps telling me companies are planning more lay offs for the bottom line and more stores are closing. Heard yesterday that the Feds say 30% more banks are on the default watch list.
job markets are regional and local.
back where I came from (Detroit), the economy and job market are in the dumps, and have been that way for YEARS....embedded "special interests", and state & local politicians who are "in bed" with those "special interests" control the state and it's economy.....and, is taking it NO WHERE fast....businesses typically move OUT of the state (like CoMerica bank...they moved here to Dallas), and not TO the state....
as for here in Dallas....the job market isn't what it was a year ago, but, for those who do lose jobs, there are plenty of others to get. A guy at church lost his job 4 months ago. Just saw him last night. He got a new (and better) job....and is starting in 2 weeks (he wanted to get some REAL "vacation" time in before starting the new job)....the diversity of our region's economy, and the quality of the jobs we have here, play a large part of the area's success.....
it's no wonder that, during my 32 mile commute on the freeway in the morning, I see MORE and MORE "Michigan" license plates....(and, I can even recognize which ones I have seen before)....
We were at church almost a year ago on a wednesday night...and at our "indoor play area", saw a woman with some small kids that had on a "VISITOR" tag (which allows her to go into the children's area to pick up her other kids).....so, I asked if she was just visiting or whatever....and, they said they had just moved here. So, of course, I asked from where, and she said, "Michigan"....well, they were from the Detroit area (just like me)....he had been looking for a job for 9 months, and was very determined to stay where they were. Finally, he sent a few resumes elsewhere, and almost instantly, EVERY resume that was sent to Dallas resulted in an interview, and in no time, they were moving here because he got a job here (one much better than he could have ever anticipated)....
I moved here in 1996....this is my 4th employer I have had. One time I was "Unemployed" for 2 weeks. The absolute longest it's been was 10 months....BUT, I brought in MORE money doing freelance/consulting work during that time, that it didn't seem that long....and, I have gotten pickier and pickier over the years when it comes to what companies I will work for.
Stores closing? yep. Stores open and close all the time. Restaurants too. As restaurants and stores that are weak close, and others follow along and replace them. It's survival of the fittest.
Around here, try getting a table at most ANY restaurant at 6:30 on a TUESDAY night....you're looking at a 10 minute wait. If it's a FRIDAY...you're looking at an hour...and more if it's a place that's particularly a favorite of alot of people.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 12:15:38 PM
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The people that I know that are hiring entry level positions, say that most (not all) of the teenagers have terrible work ethics. And as a group, the immigrants have much better work ethics. So they tend to stay away from teenagers and hire immigrants.
Well, that doesn't contradict what the guy said on the radio it only strengthens his argument. Before there wasn't a pool to pull from and they were forced to give kids their first break. Now they don't have too and there are incentives for not. I'm sure insurance is one of them. I remember all the jokes that used to go around about the kid with zits working at McDonalds. You don't see that anymore. You live here in SoCal, how many times have you gone to fast food place and the person taking your order can't speak English. You know the more I thought about it the more I felt this guy really does have a point. Perhaps not politically correct but in thinking it over perhaps hit the nail on the head. But like you said for good reasons...
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 12:22:24 PM
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No it doesn't make a point. The guy on the radio is talking about ILLEGAL immigrants. No show is talking about LEGAL immigrants. Two distinctly different things.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 12:24:11 PM
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There are actually some specialized jobs here that they are taking longer to fill because some of the talent moved out of state. So yes it depends on what you do, how much you make , and to an extent age because unfortunately there is a lot of age discrimination out there too.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 12:31:06 PM
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You might find that most of the help wanted adds have drifted over to online sources like Monster.com, Indeed.com or the online classifieds of your local paper. Also craigslist oddly enough has proven to be a decent source. I think what you're noticing is partly a secular change in the industry away from paper ads.
I know when I used to listen to the financial reports, besides using the usual indicators, they would report on the number of classified ads taken out. Perhaps not the most scientific measure but it does say something other wise I don't think they would use it.
I'm sure that online sources are some of it too. We are drifting in that direction and anyone looking for a job I would highly recommend posting to these sites. You also might want to:
1) Take out the telephone book and look at companies that match your job skills
2) Look them up on internet and see if they have a web site
3) Usually if they have openings they will post them there
4) If you find a match make sure you continue to read about the company. That is usually what the website is for.
5) Either apply online or in person.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 12:37:48 PM
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No it doesn't make a point. The guy on the radio is talking about ILLEGAL immigrants. No show is talking about LEGAL immigrants. Two distinctly different things.
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That's because he is afraid to say "Illegal Immigrant" just like people are afraid to be called "Homophobic." Most people will compromise their belief system and fall into line if the masses require it. Not too many people are like the ones of old days and are willing to stand up and say things that aren't "politically correct."
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 12:52:44 PM
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I'll let him deal with that, but I disagree with you.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 12:53:52 PM
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Oh by the way who really reads the newspaper any more? I am in my mid twenties and all my friends (including older ones) laugh at me when I buy one.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 12:54:57 PM
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Stores closing? yep. Stores open and close all the time. Restaurants too. As restaurants and stores that are weak close, and others follow along and replace them. It's survival of the fittest.
Around here, try getting a table at most ANY restaurant at 6:30 on a TUESDAY night....you're looking at a 10 minute wait. If it's a FRIDAY...you're looking at an hour...and more if it's a place that's particularly a favorite of a lot of people.
Stay tuned...we are only in the beginning. I would stat storing up right now if I hadn't done so already. I was watching Bloomberg a month or so ago and they were do a story from Egypt on the food riots going on around the world now. They were saying that in Egypt the government was subsidizing the price of what our inequivalent of a loaf of bread. I can't remember what they call it but its their ethnic loaf of bread which is their maid staple. The cost, because of the severe world food shortage, has been subsidized at $1. 50% of Egyptian income is $2/day. I immediately remembered in Revelation that it says it will cost a day wage for a loaf of bread. I said to myself this isn't a days wage but it has hit half a days wage. To me that meant things were going to double in severity. This is from a biblical standpoint. When or how long...who knows...but world food production is down 56% just this year. Food prices are up 87% in the last two years. And food riots are going on around the world now as you sit waiting for seat in the restaurant. <IXOYE><
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 1:46:34 PM
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I question whether bread is the main staple of the Egyptian diet, lol, but that country does have an unemployment rate of over 20 percent. Nearly all their income is from tourism, and unfortunately that has been a declining area. In addition, it is difficult to be a tourist there because a large portion of their workers are attempting to scam the tourists in one way or another (up to and including marriage). Also, the men are frequently trying to support more than one family (they can have up to four wives).
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 1:58:40 PM
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I hear a guy on the radio the other day and he said the reason you don't see jobs for teens anymore is because illegal immigrants have taken those low paying jobs away from them. I never thought of it before but it does make sense.
Let's not get into the legal\illegal issue, since it's a tangent.
Going back to what you posted and what I posted. I'm not under the impression that the jobs are being "taken away from" the teens, rather the teens are "giving up" the jobs, due to their lacking in work ethic. As an extreme, let's say you go to work everyday, show up late, take long breaks and lunches, play on the internet and produce about a days worth of work in a week. But a new hire comes in early, takes the alloted breaks and lunches, work as they're suppose to and get a week's worth of work done in a week. So they let you go and give the newbie your job. Did the newbie really "take" your job from you?
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 2:05:38 PM
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I hate hearing people lump working immigrants in with illegal immigrants. It's just plain racism. Are newly-immigrated people working a lot of the low-paying jobs? Of course they are, and in my experience, they are better and harder workers than the sons and daughters of fourth-generation families. Does that make them illegal? Um, no.
Anyway, back to the OP, newspaper classifieds are not the best or only source of job info. I encourage you to try your local employment office, the internet, etc., instead of relying on the newspaper.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 2:36:32 PM
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Most jobs are found by personal referral. So let all your friends, neighbors, club members, church members, and past business acquaintances know that you are looking.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 2:54:29 PM
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Actually, things are getting better in LA:
Unemployment percent, LA metropolitan area:
2007: 4.7%
2006: 4.4%
2005: 4.9%
2004: 5.9%
2003: 6.4%
2002: 6.3%
2001: 5.3%
2000: 4.9%
From Answers .com:
“The Los Angeles Times paid circulation figures have decreased since the mid-1990s. It has recently been unable to pass the one million mark, a milestone easily surpassed in earlier decades.”
2005, Breitbart.com:
“Circulation has been steadily declining at newspapers for several years as readers look to other media such as cable TV and the Internet for news. Tougher rules on telemarketing have also hurt newspapers' ability to sign up new readers. Newspapers also face sluggish growth in advertising, higher newsprint prices and increasing concern among investors about their growth prospects.”
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/0644000.html:
Los Angeles population growth 4.6% 2000 to 2006: +4.6%.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 3:21:03 PM
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I know when I used to listen to the financial reports, besides using the usual indicators, they would report on the number of classified ads taken out. Perhaps not the most scientific measure but it does say something other wise I don't think they would use it.
It used to have some predictive value vis a vis the unemployment/jobless claims numbers. That correlation has weakened versus the in-print versions of the classifieds. If you adjust the regression to include the secular decline in newspaper distribution etc, then it might still have some bearing. The number isn't getting the attention it once did, though.
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RE: Classified Job Ads - 8/28/2008 4:19:31 PM
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I know when I used to listen to the financial reports, besides using the usual indicators, they would report on the number of classified ads taken out. Perhaps not the most scientific measure but it does say something other wise I don't think they would use it.
It used to have some predictive value vis a vis the unemployment/jobless claims numbers. That correlation has weakened versus the in-print versions of the classifieds. If you adjust the regression to include the secular decline in newspaper distribution etc, then it might still have some bearing. The number isn't getting the attention it once did, though.
Exactly....just think about it for a minute.
How many major companies, and even much smaller ones, out there hiring have someone in HR saying, "We need to fill this position....call the Dallas-Morning News and place an ad".....
it just doesn't happen that way anymore.
They go to Monster.com....or to their own website....and, post the position. For a fraction of the cost of a newspaper ad....that VERY few relevant people are going to read....
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Help-Wanted OnLine Data Series - 8/28/2008 7:04:05 PM
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Yep, I just did a little research and while job posting is still used as a leading economic indicator it appears that the data is derived from online sources as opposed to print sources. The latest posted Help-Wanted OnLine Data Series also shows decreases in companies looking to hire.
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I just experimented with posting my resume and i got quite a few calls. So I can't join in on the "no jobs at all for anyone" bandwagon and yes I am in Michigan which has quite a high unemployment rate right now.
