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How specific is God's will for your life? - 7/8/2008 2:38:28 PM
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Beanteaser
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Here a few questions to consider for this discussion.
Does God plan every single outcome for you life? New job, spouse, where to live, what color shirt you should wear?
What scenarios does He plan and what does He let us plan?
Are we free to make our own decisions if we follow guidelines found in Scripture?
Your thoughts?
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 7/8/2008 3:06:27 PM
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Hello!
I would say we are certainly free to make our own decisions.
However, I think our freedom is used for the purpose of sin. The decision is contingent on us, but that is what we choose! That's my belief anyway.
Going along with this, I think we can enact God's will whenever we lay ours down -- though this is a paradox or a contradiction.
So, some decisions are ours, some are God's.
What do you think?
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 7/8/2008 5:48:12 PM
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ORIGINAL: Beanteaser
Here a few questions to consider for this discussion.
Does God plan every single outcome for you life? New job, spouse, where to live, what color shirt you should wear?
What scenarios does He plan and what does He let us plan?
Are we free to make our own decisions if we follow guidelines found in Scripture?
Your thoughts?
I think the simplest way to look at the way God's will works in concert with man's will is by contemplating a short proverb:
In his heart a man plans his course, but the Lord determines his steps. - Proverbs 16:9
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 7/9/2008 12:30:13 AM
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Does God plan every single outcome for you life? New job, spouse, where to live, what color shirt you should wear?
In my opinion, He gives us guidelines for what to look for in each of these areas. There are definite things which are outside of His will (for instance, if the new job you are considering is, say, a hitman... I would suggest that is outside God's will for your life). However, I believe that within those guidelines, He grants us the freedom to make our own choices, though He reserves the right to step in and change our plans if He so chooses - and we are commanded to make room in our plans for that.
Incidentally, I firmly disagree with the commonly espoused (pardon the pun) belief that God has "the one" picked out for you in terms of a spouse. I simply do not see the Scripture to back this up.
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What scenarios does He plan and what does He let us plan?
Now this is an interesting question - one I'm still pondering. Obviously, some events involve God's direct intervention. I'm not sure that what we can say is normative for the Christian, and what is exceptional for the individual... Hm... I'll have to think on this more.
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Are we free to make our own decisions if we follow guidelines found in Scripture?
Yes - as long as we leave enough room in our plans for God to step in, should He so decide.
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 7/9/2008 6:18:12 PM
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God gave us free will because He didn't want to force our hand in any way. When He invited us to love Him and follow His Word he wanted this choice to be made without any co-ercion on His part.
Hence, we are free to choose Him or not.
However, He does have a will too: "Thy will be done". At times of His choosing He does give us the opportunity to follow His will; He invites us, as it were, to carry out His will. We can always say No; and often people do.
To answer one of your questions; let me give you a scenario that He planned:
Years ago a Christian man I know was suddenly taken ill with cancer. In hospital, he met another patient suffering with cancer too - he was an un-believer who had feared the worst and was convinced he was going to die. One evening, my Christian friend spoke with the other patient; he tried to encourage him by saying that God would help him, even though he knew the conversation would have no great effect.
To cut a long story short, the non-believer was healed from his cancer. So was the Christian man. They both left hospital and became friends. The non-believer and his family have since become Christians.
So you see: God willed that the Christian man went to hospital. But the Christian man could have chosen not to speak to the non-believer. The fact that he did was using his own free-will to carry out God's ultimate will.
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 7/10/2008 12:25:28 AM
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Incidentally, I firmly disagree with the commonly espoused (pardon the pun) belief that God has "the one" picked out for you in terms of a spouse. I simply do not see the Scripture to back this up.
I'm pretty sure this is upto us for the most part. However, it's been said by many people within the Bible to avoid non-believers as our companions as it will draw us away from our Lord. I do think that there are instances when he will bring two people together because they have special needs that can only be met by certain people though.
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 7/10/2008 1:10:17 AM
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However, it's been said by many people within the Bible to avoid non-believers as our companions as it will draw us away from our Lord.
Oh sure, there are definitely guidelines for finding a good spouse; some definite do's and don'ts. I'm just saying that, for the average Christian, God does not have a "The One" picked out for them, and if they marry someone else they are doomed to a terrible, loveless marriage.
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 7/11/2008 5:44:05 PM
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7"(J)The LORD, the God of heaven, who took me from my father's house and from the land of my birth, and who spoke to me and who swore to me, saying, '(K)To your descendants I will give this land,' He will send (L)His angel before you, and you will take a wife for my son from there. 8"But if the woman is not willing to follow you, then you will (M)be free from this my oath; (N)only do not take my son back there." 9So the servant (O)placed his hand under the thigh of Abraham his master, and swore to him concerning this matter. 10Then the servant took ten camels from the camels of his master, and set out with a variety of (P)good things of his master's in his hand; and he arose and went to Mesopotamia, to (Q)the city of Nahor. 11He made the camels kneel down outside the city by (R)the well of water at evening time, (S)the time when women go out to draw water.12He said, "(T)O LORD, the God of my master Abraham, please (U)grant me success today, and show lovingkindness to my master Abraham. 13"Behold, (V)I am standing by the spring, and the daughters of the men of the city are coming out to draw water; 14now may it be that the girl to whom I say, 'Please let down your jar so that I may drink,' and who answers, 'Drink, and I will water your camels also'--may she be the one whom You have appointed for Your servant Isaac; and by this I will know that You have shown lovingkindness to my master." 15(W)Before he had finished speaking, behold, (X)Rebekah who was born to Bethuel the son of (Y)Milcah, the wife of Abraham's brother Nahor, came out with her jar on her shoulder.
16The girl was (Z)very beautiful, a virgin, and no man had had relations with her; and she went down to the spring and filled her jar and came up.
17Then the servant ran to meet her, and said, "(AA)Please let me drink a little water from your jar."18(AB)She said, "Drink, my lord"; and she quickly lowered her jar to her hand, and gave him a drink. 19Now when she had finished giving him a drink, (AC)she said, "I will draw also for your camels until they have finished drinking." 20So she quickly emptied her jar into the trough, and ran back to the well to draw, and she drew for all his camels. 21(AD)Meanwhile, the man was gazing at her in silence, to know whether the LORD had made his journey successful or not. 22When the camels had finished drinking, the man took a (AE)gold ring weighing a half-shekel and two bracelets for her wrists weighing ten shekels in gold, 23and said, "Whose daughter are you? Please tell me, is there room for us to lodge in your father's house?" 24She said to him, "(AF)I am the daughter of Bethuel, the son of Milcah, whom she bore to Nahor." -The Bible.com
He obviously had someone in mind for Isaac. I think there are times he makes a path for us and then I think there are times where the path is ours. Love is always our choice but he knows if we would love his 'choice' so I think when he picked Rebekah it was known to him they would be happy together.
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 7/11/2008 7:39:30 PM
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He obviously had someone in mind for Isaac.
So, do you also advocate performing the test that Abraham's servant made when a Christian man chooses a mate?
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 7/12/2008 1:35:21 AM
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He obviously had someone in mind for Isaac.
So, do you also advocate performing the test that Abraham's servant made when a Christian man chooses a mate?
What are you getting at here?
God told Abraham to find a wife for Isaac from his brothers people. So obviously he's been given direction to where he should look. His servant follows this direction from Abraham, which God in turn guides him into the right path to his Brothers people. But where is this mystery woman at the end of this direction? The servant asks for a 'sign' for where exactly this direction ends, which is Rebekah. Now I suppose if God gave you direction I don't see why you couldn't do the same. If direction was never given to you from him I wouldn't advocate useing this way.
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 7/21/2008 12:34:47 PM
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What are you getting at here?
I'm getting at the fact that people treat this unique story in Scripture as something that should be commonplace in the Christian life - a position I disagree with.
I entirely agree with the notion that God has given us guidelines when looking for a mate, and that we should not stray from them during our search. However, I do not see anything in Scripture that says that God has picked a "the one" for each of us.
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 7/22/2008 12:35:05 AM
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What are you getting at here?
I'm getting at the fact that people treat this unique story in Scripture as something that should be commonplace in the Christian life - a position I disagree with.
I entirely agree with the notion that God has given us guidelines when looking for a mate, and that we should not stray from them during our search. However, I do not see anything in Scripture that says that God has picked a "the one" for each of us.
I will agree not every one of us has 'the one' chosen for he/she but I do believe if God has one for you that will suit his/hers special needs that he will make it aware to you. I'd say 99.9% of we Christians don't have 'The One' picked out for us but that .01% does.
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 7/22/2008 12:45:41 AM
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I will agree not every one of us has 'the one' chosen for he/she but I do believe if God has one for you that will suit his/hers special needs that he will make it aware to you. I'd say 99.9% of we Christians don't have 'The One' picked out for us but that .01% does.
Oh, sure. Right on. There are certain ministries that God calls us to specifically, though not everyone will have a specific calling in the same area. And marriage is certainly a ministry, and there are certain Christians whom God has uniquely brought together to serve a specific purpose.
I'm just worried that many people's belief in God's will as it relates to marriage is shaped more by Disney cartoons than Scripture. ; )
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 7/28/2008 12:31:19 PM
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Beanteaser
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I'm getting at the fact that people treat this unique story in Scripture as something that should be commonplace in the Christian life - a position I disagree with.
I entirely agree with the notion that God has given us guidelines when looking for a mate, and that we should not stray from them during our search. However, I do not see anything in Scripture that says that God has picked a "the one" for each of us.
I think you are exactly right!
Someone once told me that Scripture is like a fence. You are free to make your own decisions as long as you stay inside the fence. I also believe God can lead us extrabiblically, but ultimately, the Bible is sufficient.
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 8/4/2008 10:02:08 PM
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ORIGINAL: Beanteaser
Here a few questions to consider for this discussion.
Does God plan every single outcome for you life? New job, spouse, where to live, what color shirt you should wear?
What scenarios does He plan and what does He let us plan?
Are we free to make our own decisions if we follow guidelines found in Scripture? Your thoughts?
I don't believe God plans every single outcome for my (I can only speak for myself) life. I think from the entirety of scripture (there is no specific verse that says He doesn't plan every detail) we can see this.
I believe we have desires/wants/needs and as Christians we go to God and ask Him what He wants us to do.
I do think that God plans out certain things, like the fact He wanted me in this world.
However it's not that easy really to pin point what He does and doesn't plan. I wouldn't go as far as to say that me typing the words I'm typing now God planned. Or the fact that I'm wearing a light blue shirt/jeans God planned.
I think God leaves certain things up to us. However we must/should read His word and seek His face. Like who you will marry should be something you seek Him about. MrFribbles and Preludeian I agree with you both. A majority of people don't have "THE ONE" picked out for them by God but some do.
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 8/12/2008 3:48:17 PM
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this is a big subject with many questions. if you will let me add my thoughts. does God will our sin or do we sin by ourselves? 1 cor 10:13 says this
No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it.
paul seems to be saying that when christians are faced with temptation God provides a way of escape. i think we would all agree that christians sin so they dont always access the way of escape provided by God. i would find it difficult to accept that God wills our sin based on what paul writes here. so in the area of temptation it seems that christians at least are free to sin or not sin.
if God does not will our sin in a given temptation, based on what paul writes here, i dont think He wills our obedience either.
so now you have to qualify what is temptation. let's say an individual has a talent for acting as a career choice and they have two job offers, one to do a christian movies and one to a porn movies, i would see this as a temptation. based on what i wrote above about temptation, i would say God would allow such an individual to choose their career path.
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 8/20/2008 1:16:12 AM
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^^^^ Very EXCELLENT Post john_mark 
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 9/7/2008 2:51:41 AM
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If you let God into your life, He will put you where He wants you, when he wants you there. He'll guide you step by step if need be.
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 9/7/2008 8:22:53 PM
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God will lead us in all aspects of our lives…if we learn to listen to His will and make the right choices along the way. Our big problem is we want to do it our way and it’s just like our earthly father…we don’t pay much attention and because we are immature it is difficult to discern exactly what God intends but the correct option is always there before us .
If we were to make every right choice that God places before us we would lead a perfect life here on earth.
I know for a fact that my life becomes much easer with each passing day. Does that mean that I won’t die with some serious and painful abnormality…not in the least but God will grant me the strength to abide and pass with peace in my heart?
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 9/8/2008 8:02:56 AM
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I find many Christians, regardless of age (physical or spiritual) to have this common problem - what is God's will for me? The reason it is not known is unresolved sin. Take a look at II Peter 1:3-10. So the first thing to do is deal with sin in repentance before the LORD. The second thing I recommend (this is from me, not Scripture) is to UNLEARN all the preconceived notions you have about God's will, whether formed personally, culturally, denominationally, or otherwise. If you examine the Bible at face value, you will see quite often that men were led of the LORD according to His direct word, not the Word itself.
What's the difference?
Take for example the story of Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8:26. The angel of the Lord spoke to Philip directly. He did not quote some other Scripture as a guideline. His command was specific.
Does God still speak to His children in this manner today? Yes He does. (I look forward to the debate on this point! 
At this point you are ready to hear God's calling and will for you. Recognize that it can change from time to time. Philip did not stick with the eunuch for the rest of his life. When God's will for the moment was complete, the obedient Philip moved on (Acts 8:39)
Start with your Spiritual gift. The text of II Peter 1:3-10 seems to suggest this along with its direct meaning. God will use you in direct proportion to the obedience you yield to His Spirit according to His gifts given to you (I Corinthians 12:11) Make this part of your election sure. At salvation, God gives to every believer one or more gifts. Waste no time in learning it, developing it, and using it. Put away your natural talents and fling all upon Jesus. (I Corinthians 13:11)
Then make your calling sure. How? Prayer! Yours, the prayers of others, and the prayers of the Holy Spirit on your behalf. They must all agree. And they must all start in heaven. Take no earthly advice for your calling and God's will. He alone will tell you from the throne. Follow Romans 11:36-12:2 so that you may KNOW.
Finally, give all the firstfruits of your labors back to God in thanksgiving! Rejoice.
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 9/8/2008 12:38:19 PM
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I think part of the problem with answering these types of questions is that they, from the get-go, start us off on the wrong foot. Rather than beginning from the vantage point of ME (i.e. what is God's will for MY life) we would be better to start with where God starts and ask "what is God's will for the universe?" The beauty here is that God has invited all of us to be partakers of what he is already blessing - things he is already doing to redeem and repair his world.
What is God's will for us? As Micah declared, the Lord has already told us: Seek Justice, love Mercy, and walk humbly with our God (Mic. 6:8). While we do these things we will discover our own God-given gifts and graces by which we can participate and contribute to the ongoing work of creation that God is doing in the world.
peace.
You bring up a good point although I don't necessarily agree that starting from the personal or universal vantage is better. Both require serious thought, prayer, and application. However, I will remain with staying on the personal level as the correct starting point for two reasons:
First, at the moment of salvation, the new believer has no concept of the universal will of God. On the other hand, their salvation experience is extremely personal. Quite often, such a testimony naturally leads the person into situations of witnessing that can be quite fruitful. This would be an example of fulfilling the universal will of God as given by Jesus with His Great Commission that we witness AND make disciples.
Second, after the emotional high of salvation wears off (it's quite normal), the new believer has to settle in for the marathon of the Christian life. Unfortunately many believers wallow in the efforts of spiritual renewal trying to get back that old feeling. This is not God's will at all. He wants us to grow up and mature (hence my quote of I Corinthians 13:11). Before we can understand and carry out God's universal will with much fruit, we must first understand it a personal level. Much of today's execution stems from common sense, culture, denomination, and Christian peer-pressure. How much of it is Spirit-led? That can only be determined at the individual level. Hence the focus I suggest.
I must question your last sentence regarding the redemption and repair of this world. What do you mean? While there is a spiritual redemption, there will never be a repair. This world is judged already, condemned already, and the sentence passed that it shall be destroyed by fire. Our final redemption comes along with the new heaven and new earth.
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 9/9/2008 6:47:37 AM
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Why? Says who? As I said above, I will grant that many Christians are Christians today because they heard it presented the way you suggest. They have no idea that God far bigger purposes than just having a "personal relationship" with me. But to suggest that we must start there and go big is simply not true. It is just as probable that people become Christians because they recognize that Jesus is Lord of heaven and earth and that God is doing a "new thing" and bringing the world to rights. They confess "Jesus is Lord" and begin to see their lives transformed from self-indulgence to one of justice, mercy and peace. In this process they discover the delightful news that while we "co-labor" (Paul's term) with God to build for his kingdom we can ALSO have a personal relationship with the Savior.
I'll let the Bible and Oswald Chambers respond to "Says who?" In today's 9/9/8 devotional from My Utmost for His Highest Mr. Chambers writes, "
DO IT YOURSELF
"Bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ." 2 Corinthians 10:5
This is another aspect of the strenuous nature of sainthood. Paul says, "I take every project prisoner to make it obey Christ." (Moffatt.) How much Christian work there is to-day which has never been disciplined, but has simply sprung into being by impulse! In Our Lord's life every project was disciplined to the will of His Father. There was not a movement of an impulse of His own will as distinct from His Father's - "The Son can do nothing of Himself." Then take ourselves - a vivid religious experience, and every project born of impulse put into action immediately, instead of being imprisoned and disciplined to obey Christ.
This is a day when practical work is overemphasized, and the saints who are bringing every project into captivity are criticized and told that they are not in earnest for God or for souls. True earnestness is found in obeying God, not in the inclination to serve Him that is born of undisciplined human nature. It is inconceivable, but true nevertheless, that saints are not bringing every project into captivity, but are doing work for God at the instigation of their own human nature which has not been spiritualized by determined discipline.
We are apt to forget that a man is not only committed to Jesus Christ for salvation; he is committed to Jesus Christ's view of God, of the world, of sin and of the devil, and this will mean that he must recognize the responsibility of being transformed by the renewing of his mind. "
Jesus says in John 8:28, "When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things." He further instructed His disciples in John 15:5, "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."
If we do not begin and remain abiding constantly in this "One" relationship with Jesus, then all else is flesh to be consumed as wood, hay, and stubble.
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RE: How specific is God's will for your life? - 10/4/2008 8:07:16 AM
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And marriage is certainly a ministry, and there are certain Christians whom God has uniquely brought together to serve a specific purpose.
I'm just worried that many people's belief in God's will as it relates to marriage is shaped more by Disney cartoons than Scripture. ; )
Can I ask where is the Scripture that says marriage is a ministry?
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Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
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