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TOTALLY agree with everything you just wrote.
You are soooo right!
Honestly when this nomination thing first started i voted for Obama when the primaries came around to my state. I thought his speeches were fantastic. Then after awaile and after he won the nomination things started to change drastically. I started going to church more than i had been and asked God to help me in all things. Soon after i saw where Obama said this

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Kh-xzerjE

I felt that was a sure sign. Since then ive learned more and more about this man and everything in my gut is telling me what evil he would bring to this world.
He is for abortion, gay marriage, every single thing the words of God are not. I think that America is getting all these signs from him for a reason. Its almost like God is drilling the truth into our heads over and over again. If Obama is elected this Country will go to hell. Literally.
For some reason Biden is trying really hard to tell people how much Obama supports Israel now...sounds rather fishy. Why would he have to say that if Obama actually does? I dont think he would. It would just be obvious.
And check this out as well...
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/8230
I think that pretty much says it all...
Everything from Obama's past - his radical politics, his decades-long association with Wright and his politically extreme church, testimonials from his anti-Israel associates as to his actual anti-Israel views, and his choice of Middle Eastern advisers - points to someone who would be the least friendly president to Israel bar none. Americans who care for Israel and the American-Israeli alliance should be very afraid.

THESSA I TOTALLY AGREE. IN FACT, THIS IS AN EXCERPT OF A POST IN ANOTHER FORUM... WHERE THE HUFFINGTON POST IS SLANDERING
PALIN AND EXALTING OBAMA. THEREFORE, WE MUST CAREFUL HOW WE HERE, AND CHECK OUT ALL SOURCES AND THEIR MOTIVES FOR WHAT IS WRITTEN.

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The Huffington Post is an awful source. ON par with the Daily Kos. End of story.


As someone not familiar with that source, is there any particular reason it's bad? Has it been shown to have false journalism?..Or just differing opinions? ....?


Among other sick practices, the Huffington Post is known for celebrating Tony Snow's cancer and death.

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Hey jfwink This is so true... She is truly Sick and needs prayer. And as I stated earlier....??????

WHY WOULD WE LISTEN TO EXCERPTS FROM A HOLLYWOOD PROFESSING LOVER... SHE IS OPPOSED TO ANYTHING THE CHURCH STANDS FOR. SHE JUST WROTE A BOOK CALLED "RIGHT IS WRONG".

OF COURSE, SHE WOULD WANT TO LACED PALINS REPUTATION AND ANY CHURCH ANY OF US WOULD ATTEND WITH PROGANDA AND LIES.

IN FACT, HERE IS A EXCERPT OF AN NEWS ARTICLE ABOUT HUFFINGTON HERSELF. FOR YOU SEE THE HUFFINGTON POST IS ARIANNA HUFFINGTON'S WEBSITE AND BLOG.

SHE IS ON THE WAR PATH AND HAVE A GRUDGE AGAINST BUSH... AN ANY REPUBLICAN.

I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN NOR DEMOCRAT... I JUST A RESPONSIBLE CHRISTIAN.

ANYWAY, SHE IS HUFFING MAD AND WOULD SAY ANYTHING TO SLANDER PALIN OR MCCAIN. IF ONE HAS NO CONVICTION, RESPONSIBLITY TO TRUTH... THEN THEY THINK NOTHING OF LYING AND TWISTING TRUTH.

AS FAR AS BUSH GOES... I WILL PRAY FOR ANYONE GOD PUTS IN OFFICE. AND YEP... I DID VOTE FOR HIM. KERRY IS WORSE THAN OBAMA OR CLINTON. AND THAT IS NOT SAYING MUCH. ANYWAY, NOW LET'S GET ONE TRUTH RIGHT. THE BUSH ADMISTRATION DID NOT REALLY CARE FOR MCCAIN. HE WAS A THORN IN HIS SIDE.
THEY WOULD NOT AGREE WITH SEVERAL OF THINGS. THE SURGE WAS MCCAINS IDEA AND HE DID NOT LISTEN TO FEAR, HE REFUSE TO SAY WE WERE LOSING AND WE ARE COMING HOME VICTORS. WHY LEAVE AFTER WE GOT THERE, AT LEAST LEAVE VICTORIOUS. HE LEFT HIS LAST STATION IN A WAR GAME (AS PRISIONER OF WAR) VICTORIOUS, WAS NOT GOING TO DIE IN SHAME AND TRUSTED THAT HE WOULD COME HOME AGAIN. AND FOR FORMER PRESIDENT CARTER WHO NEVER BEEN IN SUCH A SITUATION SHOULD REPENT ON BENDED NEEDS FOR SUCH A STATEMENT HE MADE ABOUT MCCAIN MILKING THAT FACT. COULD YOU OR I STAY IN SUCH A PLACE... I DON'T THINK EVEN A MONTH COULD BE BEARABLE.

LOOK THIS MAN UNDERSTANDS WAR... AND HE WOULD NOT JUST SEND PEOPLE TO WAR FOR THE HECK OF IT. HE KNOWS THE PAIN OF DEATH AND IMPRISONMENT. CAN CLINTON, OBAMA, KERRY OR EVEN BUSH SAY THE SAME THING. THIS MAN VALUES THE LIFE AND THE SAFETY OF ALL PEOPLE.

IN FACT, I WANT SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTAND WHAT STAYING IN UNION WITH ISRAEL. AMERICA IS THE ESTHER TO ISRAEL. DON'T FORGET GOD TOLD ESTHER... IF YOU DON'T STAND IN THE GAP FOR YOUR PEOPLE... A WORSE FATE WILL COME UPON YOU. THE ATTACK AGAINST THE SMALL COUNTRY IS OUR BUSINESS. THAT IS WHY AMERICA IS BLESSED. THOSE WHO BLESS THE LINEAGE OF JESUS CHRIST (ISRAEL) WILL BE BLESSED.

BEFORE I BECAME A CHRISTIAN I USED TO HERE AMERICA WILL NOT EXIST IN THE LAST DAYS OF SUPER POWERS. NOW I'M BEGINNING TO SEE WHY THAT IS POSSIBLE. IF WE TURN OUR BACKS ON ISRAEL... GOD WILL TURN HIS BACK ON US. THE HEDGE OF PROTECTION WILL COME DOWN. WHAT WE EXPERIENCE WAS JUST A SPIT IN THE BUCKET.
WE NEED SOMEONE WHO IS NOT AFRAID TO PROTECT OUR BORDERS AND WHO UNDERSTAND WHO STANDS AT THE PORTS THE GATES OF AMERICA. THEY DO NOT COME IN PEACE. THE ARE ALREADY LACED WTIHIN THE FABRIC OF OUR CITIES AND ECONOMY... JUST WAITING FOR OUR MILITARY FORCES TO BE REDUCED AND THEN THEY WILL TAKE OVER BY FORCE... IN FACT, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PRAISE THE LORD FREELY.

BE CAREFUL WHO YOU CHOSE TO BELIEVED. HOLLYWOOD IS DECEIVED... THOUGH THEY ARE BUILT UPON THOSE WHO ARE OF THE JEWISH FAITH. THEY DO NOT KNOW THE TRUE GOD THEMSELVES. THEY ARE DECEIVED AND CARE NOT FOR THE THINGS OF GOD... NOT EVEN ISRAEL.

AGAIN, BELOW READ THE WORD OF SOMEONE WHO HAS NO LOVE FOR THE THINGS OF GOD.
SO PLEASE ENJOY EVERYONE. REMEMBER WE ALL ARE RESPONSIBLE TO SEEK OUT THE SOURCE. ALL EVILS SOURCE IS SATAN. BAD PRESS AND MEDIA IS JUST HIS TOOLS OF RESOURCES.

~DOLLI

SO THESSA I HOPE SAINTS CHECK OUT THE LINKS YOU SHARED ABOUT OBAMA. WE NEED TO BE INFORMED AND USE EVERY RESOURCE THE LORD GIVES US. FIRST THE HOLY SPIRIT AND EVERY CLIP OF WHAT IS SPOKE FROM A CANDIDATES MOUTH. THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH... THE SWEET HOLY SPIRIT WILL EXPOSE THE LIES AND REVEAL WHO WE ARE TO VOTE FOR... IF WE WILL JUST TRUST HIM AND OBEY.
~Dolli

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ORIGINAL: Thessa

That was an AMAZING post by Dolli! I agreed with everything she said. Its sooo true. Its really scary how many people are being deceived right now. Its really sad. And how many people clap at Obama rallys when he says this about Sarah Palin...

"You can put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig. You can wrap up an old fish in a piece of paper and call it change. It's still going to stink after eight years. We've had enough," he exclaimed to a standing ovation.

(In accepting the party's vice presidential nomination, Alaska Governor Palin joked at the Republican convention last week that the only difference between a hockey mom like herself and a pitbull was "lipstick.")

It makes me highly question the morals and the very heart of anyone who thinks that kind of slander of another person - whom hes never even met - is acceptable.
I agree with you sooo much when you said this expecially

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Why Is America Something to be Proud Of?

Because no other country in the world offers as much opportunity to as many.

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I am proud of America's ability to accept others. In no other country in the world, save maybe England, is there such diversity of people and ideas. In no other country of the world is there such an incredible history of immigrants.

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I am proud of America's ability to accept others. In no other country in the world, save maybe England, is there such diversity of people and ideas. In no other country of the world is there such an incredible history of immigrants.

Me too, but I think we take it a bit too far sometimes. The question is where do you draw the line? It is difficult if not impossible to answer.

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I am proud of America's ability to accept others. In no other country in the world, save maybe England, is there such diversity of people and ideas. In no other country of the world is there such an incredible history of immigrants.

Me too, but I think we take it a bit too far sometimes. The question is where do you draw the line? It is difficult if not impossible to answer.

huangshan:

"I don't think we should draw a line. I think the problems of Europe with the immigrant riots and the like are the result of treating immigrants as second-class citizens. I wouldn't want that for the United States. The notion that there is any point at which we should say, okay, all the real Americans are here, we're full now, stay out, is the point at which America stops being what makes it great. I don't think America should be exclusive.

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ORIGINAL: 2Preacher

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I am proud of America's ability to accept others. In no other country in the world, save maybe England, is there such diversity of people and ideas. In no other country of the world is there such an incredible history of immigrants.

Me too, but I think we take it a bit too far sometimes. The question is where do you draw the line? It is difficult if not impossible to answer.

We have become sooooooooooooooooooo tolerant of nearly every kind of life style, religion, and mindset that we find ourselves on the "slippery slope" moving rapidly toward damnation and the "off-ramps" are getting to be fewer and further between them.

"Diversity" can be a good thing or a bad thing. It is good when people from differing backgrounds can work together for the comon good of all and truly become one nation. This is the beauty of America.

"Diversity" is bad when it becomes a matter of "my rights" as opposed to "your rights". When people use their differences as a "club" to beat up on others and take what they did not work for because they feel that they are "entitled" to it. The system is broken and BEAUTY fades away.

We have long been known by the rest of the world as a refuge for those who "yearn to be free" but freedom still has a price. When people come here and willingly assimilate into our society (learning to speak English, paying taxes, becoming LEGAL citizens of our country, and working hard and placing NO BURDEN on our economy, taking personal pride in themselves and with a grateful attitude regarding freedom) this is the BEAUTY OF AMERICA. Otherwise, it is a curse and a blight on our nation.

I still agree with Alex de Toqueville who said, "America is great because America is Good. If America ever ceases to be good, she will also cease to be great."

We are "good" because we care about our poor. We try to provide for the needs of all of our citizens and do so in an equitable fashion. We provide protection of Liberty and freedom even in other nations around the world. We have been there for "everybody and his cousin" fighting in two world wars, using our resources for the benefits and freedoms of others and to squash those who would take away the inalienable rights of human beings wherever they may be found.

America is GOOD because MOST American citizens have a belief in God and some form of moral values. We have traditionally taken a stand for that which is right, for justice, and freedom.

America has BECOME pragmatic, relativistic, and morally neutral if not amoral.

Instead of calling EVIL what it is and dealing with it as it deserves to be dealt with, we try to RENAME it. When it comes from HOLLYWOOD we call it ENTERTAINMENT. When it comes from the THEATRE or the PRINTING PRESS we call it FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION and FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. When it comes in the form of PERVERSION we call it an ALTERNATE LIFESTYLE. When it comes in the form of ABORTION we call it A WOMANS RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

When honesty, integrity, and forthrightness don't work in achieving our goals- we resort to dishonesty, underhandedness, and injustice to reach the goal AND then say "THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS". We make promises we cannot keep and call it a "slip of the tongue" or state the we simply "don't recall" when caught in the lie.

As I said before, I love America and there is no other place on earth where I would rather live. There is no place which grants as much freedom to its citizens. In America anyone can become anything and do anything their heart desires if they are willing to WORK FOR IT. Yes, it is more difficult now days but it has never been easy and it is still worth the effort.

It is sad that we still have those who think that the "golden ring" is something that they are ENTITLED to instead having to work for.

2Preacher

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You missed my point. I am not saying that America should be EXCLUSIVE. It is not the LEGAL immigrants i.e. the ones who "come here and willingly assimilate into our society learning to speak English, paying taxes, becoming LEGAL citizens of our country, and work hard, placing NO BURDEN on our economy, taking personal pride in themselves with a grateful attitude regarding freedom", that are the problem.

It's the ones who come in "by the back door" i.e. the ILLEGAL immigrants that are the problem. It's the 12,000,000 that snuck across the border and have stayed ILLEGALLY who are unwelcome in my opinion. IF THEY CANNOT COME IN LEGALLY THEY SHOULD STAY HOME WHEREVER HOME IS.

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You missed my point. I am not saying that America should be EXCLUSIVE. It is not the LEGAL immigrants i.e. the ones who "come here and willingly assimilate into our society learning to speak English, paying taxes, becoming LEGAL citizens of our country, and work hard, placing NO BURDEN on our economy, taking personal pride in themselves with a grateful attitude regarding freedom", that are the problem.

It's the ones who come in "by the back door" i.e. the ILLEGAL immigrants that are the problem. It's the 12,000,000 that snuck across the border and have stayed ILLEGALLY who are unwelcome in my opinion. IF THEY CANNOT COME IN LEGALLY THEY SHOULD STAY HOME WHEREVER HOME IS.

Ah, I understand now, sorry. I painted with too broad a brush.

Still though, I disagree. I suppose that, yes, ideally all the laws on the books would be just and would be followed to the letter. But I do not think this is the case. I think that America is fundamentally better, politically, than many other nations in the world in many respects and I feel that as a result we should be accepting of people of all stripes with a minimum of barriers to legal entry. I would like to share America with the rest of the world, and if countries see their people leaving for better lands (the U.S., for example) I think this provides a strong incentive to more closely align politically with that land.

I view (most) barriers for immigration similar to how I view (most) barriers to trade. They are a short-term solution that is ultimately to the detriment of everyone.

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In reading through the posts here today, I have noted many things. Most of them are feelings about this country. Some of them are things which sadden and sometimes even offend me.

I am an ordained minister who lives in the south. I LOVE America, but I am not totally proud of her or much of her history. There have been many things which have happened in our history for which I am thankful. For one the writing of the Constitution of this great nation.

Our Constitution is a document which has endured for almost 250 years. It guarantees the rights and privileges of all of our citizens. It was written with Christian principles in mind by men who for the most part believed in God and the Bible. It was written to be enduring and yet changeable. We can amend it to fit our present day situations and protect our freedoms from those who would wish to take them away. Our founding fathers were some of the wisest men of their time for creating such a document.

Our system of government in this country is something else for which I am thankful. We are a democratic republic i.e. a government of the people, by the people, and for the people rather than a monarchy, dictatorship, or some other less than desirable form. The "people" have a say so in how we are governed. If you want to see the difference between us and the rest of the world look at pre-war Iraq, Cuba, Venezuela, China, and other places. None of those places have the freedom or the voice that our people do in government.

Another thing is the PRIVILEGE of being born an American. Yes, I said PRIVILEGE. I had nothing to do with my birth. I didn't choose my parents, race, family members, or my country. God ordained those things long before I was born. He made me and ordained everything about my life. Therefore, I count it a privilege to be able to say that I am an American and I am humbled by the fact that God chose this time, place, and people for my heritage. I can't change any of these things and wouldn't if I could.

I must say that I was offended at first by some of the things that were posted by "traceydolls". I tend to get aggravated by people who appear to be racists. I don't know if she is a racist or isn't a racist, but the remarks she made about blacks and slavery and the generalizations she offered did offend me at first.

To Tracey I would say, Get over the past and move on. I am sorry for the racist feeling of some people. I am sorry for the way you and those of your race have been treated in the past and present. But you must realize that what happened more than a hundred years ago, or for that matter just yesterday, in this country, has little to do with what is going on now. It was, by the way, a WHITE president who took this country to war against itself to bring an end to slavery. I don't believe that Lincoln was happy about it. In fact he grieved over it greatly, but he knew it had to be done.

Those who are still hanging on to those feelings of anonymosity and prejudice, both black and white, are the ones at whom you should direct your comments not white America in general. Bigots abound in certain areas of the country, but thankfully they are decreasing in others.
They will, however, never fully disappear.

By the way, Tracey, I agree with most of the negatives which you expressed and I am ASHAMED of them just as you and all other Americans should be. Those things should have never happened in this country. However, as has been stated many times on this string, PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE and they are IMPERFECT.

The fact is that we are ALL sinners by NATURE and by CHOICE. We are born in sin because of our relationship to Adam and his disobedience. ( Read Romans 1-3 and following.) We do things that are wrong and shameful because we are predisposed by our nature to do so. Hence, slavery, abortion, murders, sexual predators, child abusers, bigots, and racists abound and always will until the Lord comes back.

America is a nation made up of PEOPLE from all over the world i.e. the great melting pot. We are a wonderful mix of all nations. This is what makes America up and it is what I love. I have many friends who are from different nations. My best friend in middle school was a black boy named Darell Graham. He helped me out of many scrapes and I helped him out of a few. I have never forgotten him.

I am most ashamed and saddened by the fact that America has FORGOTTEN GOD for the most part. We have removed him from our classrooms and tried in every way possible to force him from our public lives. And the crazy thing is that we have done it in the name of TOLERANCE and POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. We want to be so much like the rest of our worldly neighbors that we are willing to ACCEPT ANYTHING AND STAND UP FOR NOTHING in order to get along with them. In some areas, it seems that you can be anything but a Christian, pray to anyone but the God of the Bible, and end your prayer any way BUT in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. And why is that? Because some Muslim, JW, Hindu, Buddhist, or Atheist (all of which have the right to believe the way they choose) might get offended.

I had better stop while I am ahead, but know this. I have no problem with other religions except that I believe, based on the Scriptures, that they are deceived and believing a lie which was propagated by none other than the Devil himself. The lie that God was "holding out" on man by forbidding him to eat of the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" and that man does not need God. It is from this lie and the utter depravity of man's own sinful heart that all of the evil in the world has come. Based on this lie they teach that the world is getting "better" and that man himself is "evolving". Based on this lie they teach that "all religions lead to eternal life and you can chose the one you want. It doesn't really matter". The truth is that man is not "evolving", he is instead "devolving". The world is not getting "better" it is in fact getting worse and worse all of the time, and Man NEEDS GOD more now than he ever did before.

I grieve for the souls of lost men regardless of their religion. I believe that some of them are very sincere in their beliefs. But, the fact still remains, religion or the lack thereof never saved anyone or sent one soul to hell. It is the refusal to accept God's truth concerning sin and the rejection of Jesus Christ as the ONLY Saviour which seals a persons doom to hell.
(John 14:6; Acts 4:12)

Though I consider it a PRIVILEGE to be an AMERICAN, I fear for our nation. Sin and forgetting God always brings judgment and that is what lies ahead. There are many good things about America, but they are dwindling. Political correctness and "tolerance" are robbing us of our right to proclaim the truth of God's word. America is becoming a place where, as I stated, you can be anything but a "CHRISTIAN" and for those of us who are, it is getting scary.

Am I going to quit preaching?NO! Am I going to fully grasp the principles of tolerance and PC and go with the flow? NO! I can not and be true to my Lord. Am I going to preach racism and religious bigotry? NO! I cannot and be true to my Lord who said that I should "love the Lord my God with all of my heart, with all my strength, and with all my mind" and "love my neighbor as myself." I will continue as always to preach the truth of God's word the Bible. If it offends, so be it. I will not back down or run from the fight as long as God gives me strength.

A famous Frenchmen, Alexis De Toqueville, said this, "America is great because America is good. If America ever ceases to be good, she will also cease to be great." The statement was made over 200 years ago. Sadly, I feel that it is coming true. Many things in our history, our present day life and our society as a whole, tell me that. Even though America has many good characteristics in her favor, she is "ceasing to be good" and doing it rapidly. By that I mean, she is loosing the things which have made her great. We are giving them up one by one. They are not being taken by force (yet), but we are giving them away to the vocal cries of a few (the homosexuals, pro-abortionists, liberals) who have taken the views of our liberal secular society to extremes.

Christians have allowed this process of losing our freedoms by sitting within the walls of our churches and saying nothing. We have allowed it by not voting. We have allowed it by buying into the PC and Tolerance messages of society and ignoring "thus saith the Lord" because it might offend someone. We have allowed it by giving in to the "fear of man" over the "fear of God".

Our ONLY hope is in a return to the God of our Forefathers, Confession of our sin, and true repentance. Otherwise the ONLY thing our future holds as a nation is a disastrous judgment from God.

Am I "proud" to be an American? No, I am "privileged" to be an American.Am I "proud" to be a Christian? No, I am "blessed" to be a child of God. Did I do anything to deserve either? NO, nothing at all. It is all by the grace and mercy of God ( Ephesians 2:8-9,10)

I love and pray for our nation to turn back to God before it is too late. I am thankful for all of the freedoms which we have. I am thankful beyond measure for those brave men and women who have given their lives to preserve our way of life and secure liberty for us and many others around the world.

II Chronicles 7:14 states:

"IF my people (Christians), which are called by my name, shall humble themselves (acknowledge their need of God) and PRAY and seek my face (personally focus on what God wants and Obedience to his word), and TURN from their wicked ways (repent = turn back to God and away from sin) THEN will I HEAR from Heaven, and will FORGIVE their sin, and I will HEAL their land."

Have we gone so far from God in America that even his children cannot hear his call? Sometimes I think so but I pray not.

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I'm not surprised you said this.
It's your MO.
If you can't see the good about this country and its people, and harbor such bitterness inside....all I can say is I feel sorry for you.

I feel sorry for this country and it's people. Especially the Christians!~

Why do ya'll consider it bitterness or anger to TELL THE TRUTH?



Blessedinnyc:

I'm not saying other countries are better. Are you kidding me?

This is a flawed world and as Christians we should be able to tell the truth about it.


Psa 40:4 Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.

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Well, while I would love to visit Israel and I hope to with my family, I appreciate living in a country where I do not have to worry about my children's school or my local market place or a city bus being blown up by someone with a backpack bomb. I also much prefer a voluntary military over mandatory service.

What's the difference in that and worrying about random killing, or a drug dealer shooting your child in their yard. Or in the case of MN, a rapist. Or a gangbanger mistaking your child's new pink shirt for a gang color.

Or if you try to move like me to a 'burb, racists spray painting your house and breaking out windows, calling you n***** and throwing full cans of beer at your 4yr. old calling her a N** b***.


I could go on and on.

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I don't know. That looked like a pretty thorough "Evil America" list to me

Where is there a lie?

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I'm proud that this is a country were people of ALL FAITHS AND BELIEFS, including George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Marin Luther King, Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict XIV, John Dobson, Jerry Falwell, The Dahli Llama, and many, many more can express their beliefs OPENLY without fear of persecution from the government or radical individuals who would do them harm for speaking what they believe.

Your kidding right? Martin Luther King was killed for his beliefs, the Gov't put him in jail many times, crazy people blew up CHURCHES and Children to keep MLK from getting anywhere.

First we have to get some simple history under our belts before we can be PROUD.

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t will never cease to amaze me how much contempt some of the elite have for Christ/Christianity/Christians. Most of the press are murderers - they slander people - which is a form of murder and rationalize their sin too much to ever be honest.

Galadriel2:

I agree with your statement. Did you read my earlier post? The things which you state here are true, but not of ALL of those in power positions in this country. I notice you said "some of the elite" show contempt for Christ/Christianity/ and Christians.

Do you understand why they do that? It is because of many things. Chiefly, it is because of the attitude of our SECULARIZED SOCIETY toward those things and because of POLITICAL AMBITION. These are the same things that make a politician become "all things to all people" just to garner their votes. It is not popular to stand up for VALUES, MORALS, AND DECENCY in this country any more. Those who do stand up for those things are labeled as "fundamentalist wackos" or "non-conformists" and those terms are the "the beginning of the end" for a political career.

Secondly, Christians are VILLIFIED in the press based on what a FEW of them do. Things like shooting an abortionist and then quoting Scripture and stating that it was "God's will" and he directed them to do it, give the press their ammunition.

Those who show "contempt for Christ/Christianity/ and Christians" are, I feel, the dupes of Satan. It is a sign of the times. It is nothing new and has been around since Roman times. There have always been those who displayed contempt for the truth of God's word and his people.

As I said in my earlier post:

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A famous Frenchmen, Alexis De Toqueville, said this, "America is great because America is good. If America ever ceases to be good, she will also cease to be great." The statement was made over 200 years ago. Sadly, I feel that it is coming true. Many things in our history, our present day life and our society as a whole, tell me that. Even though America has many good characteristics in her favor, she is "ceasing to be good" and doing it rapidly. By that I mean, she is loosing the things which have made her great. We are giving them up one by one. They are not being taken by force (yet), but we are giving them away to the vocal cries of a few (the homosexuals, pro-abortionists, liberals) who have taken the views of our liberal secular society to extremes.

Christians have allowed this process of losing our freedoms by sitting within the walls of our churches and saying nothing. We have allowed it by not voting. We have allowed it by buying into the PC and Tolerance messages of society and ignoring "thus saith the Lord" because it might offend someone. We have allowed it by giving in to the "fear of man" over the "fear of God".

Our ONLY hope is in a return to the God of our Forefathers, Confession of our sin, and true repentance. Otherwise the ONLY thing our future holds as a nation is a disastrous judgment from God.

The "elitist" to whom you refer are NOT the ENEMY. They are his "dupes". They are blind and cannot see. They are deaf and cannot hear. They may know the TRUTH, but they DENY it and therefore they turn on those who possess it. Their goals are the goals of Satan and his hordes. They are driven by GREED and a DESIRE FOR POWER. They are against all that is HOLY and RIGHTEOUS, but [b]THEY ARE NOT THE ENEMY- THEY ARE HIS DUPES. SATAN IS THE ENEMY

Ephesians 6:12 says "We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." It is because of this that the Roman Emperor's and their minions tortured and persecuted Christians trying to eradicate them. It is because of this that the Roman Catholic Inquisition took place during the middle ages. It is because of this the Reformers were persecuted in the 1500's. It is because of this that those who translated the WORD of GOD into the common language of the People and gave us our Bible were persecuted, beheaded, and burned at the stake. Why? because those Christians wrestled against the powers of the darkness of this world and they WOULD NOT back away from their faith in Christ. Their PERSECUTORS (the "elitist" of their day) were only the "dupes" of Satan. He is the real enemy.

Jesus himself, stated that this would be the case. He said, "Marvel not ...if the WORLD hate you". . . "it hated me also". Men hate the truth because they love their evil deeds. (John 3:19-21) "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

What are we as Christians to do?

In Scripture we are commanded by God, through the Apostle Paul, to PRAY for our leaders and those in authority whether they are good or bad. (I Timothy 2:1-4) "I exhort, therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority;that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."

Secondly, we are to STAND FIRM for the TRUTH of God's word. (I Cor. 16:13) "Watch ye, STAND FAST IN THE FAITH, quit you like men, be strong." (Galatians 5:1) "Stand fast therefore in the Liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage." (Ephesians 6:11-18 esp. vs. 13,14) " 13. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to STAND. 14. STAND therefore, having your loins girt about with the TRUTH, and having on the breastplate of righteousness." (Philippians 1:27) "Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye STAND FAST IN ONE SPIRIT, WITH ONE MIND, STRIVING TOGETHER FOR THE FAITH OF THE GOSPEL." (Phillippians 4:1) "Therefore, my brethren dearly beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, so STAND FAST IN THE LORD, my dearly beloved." (II Thessalonians 2:15) "Therefore, brethren, STAND FAST, and HOLD THE TRADITIONS WHICH YE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT, whether by word, or by our epistle."

The reason we have the Leaders which we have in this country, I believe, is because we, as Christians, have failed to do our duty under the commands of God. We have NOT PRAYED for our leaders. We have NOT taken a strong stand for what is right, but instead have "gone with the flow". We have GIVEN IN , as I said, to the "vocal cries of a few who are in the minority" and watched our FREEDOMS be eroded in front of our very eyes.

America and American politics is far, far away from the roots from which it started. There are no more George Washingtons, Ben Franklins, or Thomas Jeffersons, or Abraham Lincolns. Men who were not afraid to stand up for the right. Men of back bone and character who were more concerned with what was best for the country than for themselves. Men who feared God more than they feared "public opinion". Our Nation as a whole is far away from it's roots and it is NO ONES fault but our OWN.

My question still remains, are American Christians so far gone from God, that they cannot hear his call?

II Chronicles 7:14

"IF my people (Christians), which are called by my name, shall humble themselves (acknowledge their need of God) and PRAY and seek my face (personally focus on what God wants and Obedience to his word), and TURN from their wicked ways (repent = turn back to God and away from sin) THEN will I HEAR from Heaven, and will FORGIVE their sin, and I will HEAL their land."