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RE: John MacArthur - 9/25/2008 8:09:05 PM
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colliefan
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Lordship salvation? What in the world does that mean?
Sounds like religious babble...
If it's salvation through Christ and Christ alone, I don't think such terminology is necessary, is it?
It is NOT religous babble and it is necessary. In too much of the church one can "come to Jesus" w/o any renouncing of sin. Yes, Jesus is savior but having him in control of all aspects of life - LORD - is something that can happen later on. In the same manner, discipleship is not an option; it is madatory.
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RE: John MacArthur - 9/25/2008 8:51:15 PM
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I like preachers that talk about sin. Why? Because I am a sinner and someone needs to remind me of this so that I can be humble about it everyday. I know that most folks don't like to be lectured on sin but I got news for you, the bible mentions sin over and over again. As a matter of fact, I think Jesus talked more about hell than He did about heaven. 
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RE: John MacArthur - 9/25/2008 8:52:30 PM
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Lordship salvation? What in the world does that mean?
Sounds like religious babble...
If it's salvation through Christ and Christ alone, I don't think such terminology is necessary, is it?
It is NOT religous babble and it is necessary. In too much of the church one can "come to Jesus" w/o any renouncing of sin. Yes, Jesus is savior but having him in control of all aspects of life - LORD - is something that can happen later on. In the same manner, discipleship is not an option; it is madatory.
This is salvation without repentance? Isn't that just non-sensical babble? Because it's not salvation.
You goin' to see Jeremiah at RBC in October there collie?
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RE: John MacArthur - 9/25/2008 8:52:56 PM
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I like preachers that talk about sin. Why? Because I am a sinner and someone needs to remind me of this fact so that I can be humble about it everyday. I know that most folks don't like to be lectured on sin but I got news for you, the bible mentions sin over and over again. As a matter of fact, I think Jesus talked more about hell than He did about heaven.
Amen!
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RE: John MacArthur - 9/25/2008 9:13:29 PM
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colliefan
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This is salvation without repentance? Isn't that just non-sensical babble? Because it's not salvation. You goin' to see Jeremiah at RBC in October there collie?
Yes. My prison minitry at Central Prison is canceled that night because of the end of Ramadan so I will be there.
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RE: John MacArthur - 9/29/2008 11:45:00 AM
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We can never be completely satisified in this life as we will still be touched by the effects of sin and the fall. If we were to be complete in this life, why would there be a heaven?
Did not Paul said that he learn to be content with what he has. "I rejoice greatly in the Lord that at last you have renewed your concern for me. Indeed you have been concerned, but you had no opportunity to show it. I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. I know it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every sitution, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plrenty or in want. I can do everything through him who gives me strenght."
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RE: John MacArthur - 9/29/2008 12:58:53 PM
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colliefan
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Content does not mean that one is completely satisfied. It is knowing that others will have more than you and others have less than you, God has met your needs; in this, one is content with lack.
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RE: John MacArthur - 9/29/2008 4:10:38 PM
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Content does not mean that one is completely satisfied. It is knowing that others will have more than you and others have less than you, God has met your needs; in this, one is content with lack.
I think Paul would disagree with you if I understand where you are coming from.
"I have learned the secret of being content in any and every sitution, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plrenty or in want. I can do everything through him who gives me strenght."
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RE: John MacArthur - 9/29/2008 4:29:53 PM
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Paul also longed for heaven, though, and he emphasized keeping our hope there.
Phil 3:12-4:1
12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. 16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.
17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. 18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame--who set their mind on earthly things. 20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.
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This life isn't all there is, and that's the point MacArthur was attempting to make. He was contrasting the materialistic mindset of evolution with the spiritual hope of Christianity. We can be content in this life because we know that wonderful things await us in eternity!
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RE: John MacArthur - 9/29/2008 5:22:06 PM
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Phil 4:10 - 14 (HCSB) 10I rejoiced in the Lord greatly that now at last you have renewed your care for me. You were, in fact, concerned about me, but lacked the opportunity ëto show it. 11I don’t say this out of need, for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am. 12I know both how to have a little, and I know how to have a lot.£ In any and all circumstances I have learned the secret ëof being contentû—whether well-fed or hungry, whether in abundance or in need. 13I am able to do all things through Him£ who strengthens me.£ 14Still, you did well by sharing with me in my hardship.
1 Tim 6:6 - 10 (HCSB) 6But godliness with contentment is a great gain.£ 7 For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out.£ 8 But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with these. 9But those who want to be rich fall into temptation, a trap, and many foolish and harmful desires, which plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10For the love of money is a root£ of all kinds of evil, and by craving it, some have wandered away from the faith£ and pierced themselves with many pains.
The issue is not having need, but one handles lack. Anyway we are getting off-topic
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RE: John MacArthur - 9/30/2008 11:04:10 AM
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This life isn't all there is, and that's the point MacArthur was attempting to make. He was contrasting the materialistic mindset of evolution with the spiritual hope of Christianity. We can be content in this life because we know that wonderful things await us in eternity!
For right now it is what matters is this life. You could end up and not be satisfied in heaven because you could not learn it here.
The children of Israel as they had just went through a great wall of water. Which rescued them from Pharoah and his bad plans for their lifes. Went and complained to Moses about a place God lead them to because the water was bitter. Time after time the children of Israel, tried God's mercy. Until the end, what could have been their journey's end. When he told them to go and take the land and they refused and wanted to go back to Egypt. Because it was better in Egypt for them to live. They learned not to be content in what had been given to them.
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Phil 4:10 - 14 (HCSB) 10I rejoiced in the Lord greatly that now at last you have renewed your care for me. You were, in fact, concerned about me, but lacked the opportunity ëto show it. 11I don’t say this out of need, for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am. 12I know both how to have a little, and I know how to have a lot.£ In any and all circumstances I have learned the secret ëof being contentû—whether well-fed or hungry, whether in abundance or in need. 13I am able to do all things through Him£ who strengthens me.£ 14Still, you did well by sharing with me in my hardship.
1 Tim 6:6 - 10 (HCSB) 6But godliness with contentment is a great gain.£ 7 For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out.£ 8 But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with these. 9But those who want to be rich fall into temptation, a trap, and many foolish and harmful desires, which plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10For the love of money is a root£ of all kinds of evil, and by craving it, some have wandered away from the faith£ and pierced themselves with many pains.
The issue is not having need, but one handles lack. Anyway we are getting off-topic
You are the one who brought up the subject. So you must have made a mistake when you first talked about the word;  content.
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RE: John MacArthur - 10/7/2008 9:33:56 PM
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I've been listening to his show this week regarding anxiety, etc. I agree with him for the most part. I must admit this is one of the very few times that I have noticed compassion in his preaching as opposed to judgement instead. It is a very welcome change!
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RE: John MacArthur - 10/7/2008 10:34:59 PM
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I like MacArthur as a preacher. With that said, I was very disappointed with him as a person for condoning the War in Iraq on the CNN Larry King Show. MacArthur had the audacity to use a verse from the bible to support the Invasion of Iraq. The scripture he quoted had absolutely nothing to do with the Iraq War. However, I still like MacArthur as a preacher.
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RE: John MacArthur - 10/7/2008 10:35:41 PM
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I am just curious, what scripture did he use?
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RE: John MacArthur - 10/7/2008 10:55:39 PM
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humbleinspirit,
John MacArthur used these 2 verses to justify the Invasion of Iraq.
"Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle will not first sit down and take counsel whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming against him with twenty thousand?" (Luke 14:31)
"But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one." (Luke 22:36).
John MacArthur concluded by saying "He (God) endorsed the fact of protection and just war."
MacArthur was WRONG........
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RE: John MacArthur - 10/7/2008 10:56:34 PM
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I agree with you on that, hmmmm!
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RE: John MacArthur - 10/8/2008 8:23:52 AM
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humbleinspirit,
John MacArthur used these 2 verses to justify the Invasion of Iraq.
"Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle will not first sit down and take counsel whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming against him with twenty thousand?" (Luke 14:31)
"But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one." (Luke 22:36).
John MacArthur concluded by saying "He (God) endorsed the fact of protection and just war."
MacArthur was WRONG........
I agree with the principles MacArthur was making. Scripture clearly endorses war against evil and protection of one's country, family, and self.
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RE: John MacArthur - 10/8/2008 8:28:51 AM
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humbleinspirit,
John MacArthur used these 2 verses to justify the Invasion of Iraq.
"Or what king, when he sets out to meet another king in battle will not first sit down and take counsel whether he is strong enough with ten thousand men to encounter the one coming against him with twenty thousand?" (Luke 14:31)
"But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one." (Luke 22:36).
John MacArthur concluded by saying "He (God) endorsed the fact of protection and just war."
MacArthur was WRONG........
I agree with the principles MacArthur was making. Scripture clearly endorses war against evil and protection of one's country, family, and self.
In a situation like Iraq, we have a country that was not a threat to the U.S.
MacArthur was trying to make a case for a "just war," but fails probably because he's making the case in light of his dispensationalism.
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RE: John MacArthur - 10/8/2008 8:51:31 AM
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In a situation like Iraq, we have a country that was not a threat to the U.S.
It all depends on how one defines "threat" and just how much credit one was willing to give Hussein, despite his history. Given what I knew at the time, I would have been willing to make the decision to attack, feeling that Iraq was a serious threat and that Hussein worth defeating for the stability of much of the world. And that without any consideration to dispensationalism.
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RE: John MacArthur - 10/8/2008 9:23:09 AM
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1) I respect MacArthur for the most part, with exception to his dispensationalist beliefs.
2) That being said, many Western pastors (most notably Falwell, Hagee, and others of the Dispie mindset) view "Just War" in light of protecting Israel.
3) Looking at the facts presented in leading up to the Iraq War, it would seem that it was a just war, but looking back, one can see that the facts did not line up even then. They say, "hindsight is 20/20," and in this case, it very much is.
4) Perhaps MacArthur was not looking at through dispie eyes, but many preachers do. And that's a shame.
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RE: John MacArthur - 10/8/2008 9:30:14 AM
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This is a good one;
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It all depends on how one defines "threat" and just how much credit one was willing to give Hussein, despite his history. Given what I knew at the time, I would have been willing to make the decision to attack, feeling that Iraq was a serious threat and that Hussein worth defeating for the stability of much of the world. And that without any consideration to dispensationalism
Let's see North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, and even China. The list keeps going and going onward to the extend of most of the world is actual against us. So let us bear arms against them all right?
I believe that old Bush had a thing against Hussien. For threating his dad's life to be taken. By the way after watching 60 minuties last Sunday.
Wonder were our boys were getting thier commands to let Bin Laden escape from their grasp all the time. When they had him cornered a lot of the time. That when they had premission to go see a cave that they had bomb a few weeks earlier. Found that he may have escape that and ended up in Pakistan.
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RE: John MacArthur - 10/8/2008 9:32:51 AM
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This is a good one;
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It all depends on how one defines "threat" and just how much credit one was willing to give Hussein, despite his history. Given what I knew at the time, I would have been willing to make the decision to attack, feeling that Iraq was a serious threat and that Hussein worth defeating for the stability of much of the world. And that without any consideration to dispensationalism
Let's see North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, and even China. The list keeps going and going onward to the extend of most of the world is actual against us. So let us bear arms against them all right?
I believe that old Bush had a thing against Hussien. For threating his dad's life to be taken. By the way after watching 60 minuties last Sunday.
Wonder were our boys were getting thier commands to let Bin Laden escape from their grasp all the time. When they had him cornered a lot of the time. That when they had premission to go see a cave that they had bomb a few weeks earlier. Found that he may have escape that and ended up in Pakistan.
Getting off-topic....
The point was in pointing out MacArthur's use of the "just war" theory. Not discussion the evils of other countries
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