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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/3/2005 11:15:21 PM
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It was my impression that the Skull & Bones aura of evil was just college humor.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/4/2005 12:36:00 AM
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America collectively did not vote the way I did.
And this was due to lack of research?
meh, lack of research and a short sighted worldview contribute a great deal imo. You undoubtably disagree with me.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/4/2005 8:36:26 AM
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Interesting thread....
Hmmm...
Bush's policies - Most of them unconstitutional, and cost the country (taxpayers) more money putting us further in debt.
War in Iraq - We should've stayed out and focused our attention on Osama Bin Laden instead of Saddam.
Yeah we tried this once and then they bombed Pearl Harbor. Burying your head in the sand dose not make the problems go away, they just keep growing.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/4/2005 9:32:05 AM
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Jhud
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meh, lack of research and a short sighted worldview contribute a great deal imo. You undoubtably disagree with me.
Sure I do, because I voted for him and it had nothing to do with lack of research or a 'short sighted worldview'.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/4/2005 7:28:03 PM
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meh, lack of research and a short sighted worldview contribute a great deal imo. You undoubtably disagree with me.
Sure I do, because I voted for him and it had nothing to do with lack of research or a 'short sighted worldview'.
What did it have to do with?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2005 1:32:32 PM
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An agreement with him on his handling of the war on terrorism, a number of economic views, and and his stance on a number of social issues.
Also, no reasonable alternative.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2005 2:04:54 PM
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An agreement with him on his handling of the war on terrorism, a number of economic views, and and his stance on a number of social issues.
Strike three, he's out!
Oh I'm sorry, were you joking?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2005 2:09:31 PM
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Strike three, he's out!
Oh I'm sorry, were you joking?
No, but I see you were trying to.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2005 2:20:22 PM
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Jules Archer
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Strike three, he's out!
Oh I'm sorry, were you joking?
No, but I see you were trying to.
Really? Because it was quite funny. But that's only because he's so bad on all of those topics.
So, I take it you like the results you're seeing so far?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2005 2:40:16 PM
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Really? Because it was quite funny. But that's only because he's so bad on all of those topics.
So, I take it you like the results you're seeing so far?
I prefer them to the alternatives.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2005 2:53:00 PM
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Really? Because it was quite funny. But that's only because he's so bad on all of those topics.
So, I take it you like the results you're seeing so far?
I prefer them to the alternatives.
I see. High deficits are better than high surpluses. Relaxed pollution controls resulting in more pollution are better than regulations which keep our Earth cleaner. Creating more fanaticism and pain and suffering through Terrorism is better than addressing issues which result in an actual reduction in Terrorism. Social issues that are more invasive and intrusive are better than less goverment involvement in our lives?
No thanks.
I'm going back into absentee mode. This place gives me the willies.
Peace to you all.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2005 3:07:43 PM
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I see. High deficits are better than high surpluses .
Actually, I don't care for congresses spending practices, though I understand them in war time; and I like Bush's Social Security reform ideas and his tax lowering plans.
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Relaxed pollution controls resulting in more pollution are better than regulations which keep our Earth cleaner.
I don't agree with every aspect of Bush's environmental policies, but I realize we have to reduce our dependence on foreign sources of oil, and that might mean a willingness to continue to develop our resources, even in Alaska; along with other sources of energy like nuclear, and wind and hydrogen.
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Creating more fanaticism and pain and suffering through Terrorism is better than addressing issues which result in an actual reduction in Terrorism.
Concerning terrorism, I am always suspicious of people who call American soldiers terorists. Strike that; anyone who calls our military a terrorist organization is making a morally repugnant statement, and is basically sentimentally in agreement with radical islamists.
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Social issues that are more invasive and intrusive are better than less goverment involvement in our lives?
I don't find anti-abortion laws and laws preventing homosexuals from altering the nature of marriage intrusive at all.
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I'm going back into absentee mode. This place gives me the willies.
I can imagine.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2005 6:56:32 PM
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Concerning terrorism, I am always suspicious of people who call American soldiers terorists. Strike that; anyone who calls our military a terrorist organization is making a morally repugnant statement, and is basically sentimentally in agreement with radical islamists.
"Two platoons went into My Lai looking for Viet Cong fighters, on the orders of Lt. William Calley........... While the exact circumstances leading up to the attack are still argued about, what's undisputed is the outcome of the military maneuver. When they entered the village, the soldiers began shooting unarmed civilians. Orders were given to raze the huts the villagers lived in.
..........Men, women and children, including babies, were killed in the carnage that followed. Praying children were shot in the back of the head, elderly men were hacked to death with bayonets. People were shot on their knees, in the back, with their hands in the air.
Not everyone in the company took part in the massacre, but enough of them did, led by Calley who reportedly mowed down 60 captured civilians in a ditch by himself after his soldiers balked at the order. Although the Army's official report determined that only about 10 soldiers actually performed the massacre, that's kind of hard to believe in light of the devastation ultimately wrought.
More than 500 people were killed in just hours. Some of the corpses were mutilated. Some women who weren't killed were gang-raped. Other villagers were beaten and tortured. And evidence of the carnage was recorded on film by an Army photographer accompanying the unit named Ron Haeberle."
Only William Calley was ever tried and convicted, but he received token punishment. My Lai serves as a warning that the American military is not above reproach or exempt from a cover up. Many accusations against American soldiers are politically motivated, but each incident should be judged on its own merit.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/5/2005 11:11:14 PM
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Jhud
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Only William Calley was ever tried and convicted, but he received token punishment. My Lai serves as a warning that the American military is not above reproach or exempt from a cover up. Many accusations against American soldiers are politically motivated, but each incident should be judged on its own merit.
And you think this is what these men were sent to Vietnam to do?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/7/2005 3:39:19 PM
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My Lai serves as a warning that the American military is not above reproach or exempt from a cover up.
Wounded Knee served as that warning, a warning we never heeded because we don't seem to actually learn from history, or teach it properly, or try to go forward with the lessons it teaches. We still don't. Quite sad.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/8/2005 10:20:25 PM
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Sadly, there are other genocidal acts in military history, not all of them commtted by American GIs:
--The deliberate bombardment of civilians by General Sherman (1860s)
--The massacre of Plains Indians during well planned winter raids to make way for the Union Pacific and Central Pacific railroads (Sherman and Sheridan)
--Roosevelt's bloody occupation of the Philippines
--Japan's massacre of > 1 million civilians in Nanking
--Remember that the Armenians were disarmed and massacred by the Turks. GWB was so diplomatic, he never used the word GENOCIDE in reference to Armenian Remembrance Day!!
--Mao's Great Leap Forward resulted in 30-60 million deaths.
--And we cannot forget the 1.6 million slaughtered by the communist Khmer Rouge.
America's military does not have a monopoly on atrocities-- I did not mention Georgian, Ukrainians, Poles or other victims of Stalin's armies. A unarmed populace surrounded by a heavily armed military is usually a recipe for oppression!
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My Lai serves as a warning that the American military is not above reproach or exempt from a cover up.
Wounded Knee served as that warning, a warning we never heeded because we don't seem to actually learn from history, or teach it properly, or try to go forward with the lessons it teaches. We still don't. Quite sad.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2005 11:45:22 AM
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GWB is living proof that ANYBODY can be president. GWB is living proof that ANYBODY can be president.
Anybody? Anybody backed by a political machine large enough and powerful enough to thwart the will of the American people.
Now THAT really hit the nail on the head!
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2005 12:57:08 PM
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GWB is living proof that ANYBODY can be president.
Anybody? Anybody backed by a political machine large enough and powerful enough to thwart the will of the American people.
Perhaps you'd care to tell us how the will of the American people was thwarted?
Let me guess, the only legitimate election results would be a John Kerry victory, right?
Try to remember this: George W. Bush WON the election in 2000. Every subsequent recount showed that he won Florida. I don't care if the margin was slim, he still had more votes than Gore.
Hang onto your hat: George W. Bush also WON the election in 2004, and this one wasn't even close.
Again, the American peoples' will was thwarted.....how?
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2005 5:44:02 PM
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I can't speak for GWB, but as for myself,I was thinking AFTER the election,Iraq in particular,and the economy and jobs going overseas.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2005 10:05:48 PM
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GWB is living proof that ANYBODY can be president.
Anybody? Anybody backed by a political machine large enough and powerful enough to thwart the will of the American people.
Perhaps you'd care to tell us how the will of the American people was thwarted?
Let me guess, the only legitimate election results would be a John Kerry victory, right?
Try to remember this: George W. Bush WON the election in 2000. Every subsequent recount showed that he won Florida. I don't care if the margin was slim, he still had more votes than Gore.
Hang onto your hat: George W. Bush also WON the election in 2004, and this one wasn't even close.
Again, the American peoples' will was thwarted.....how?
How quick the Republicans forget - it was Richard Nixon who was also elected for a second term and then returned their trust by commiting crimminal acts. Perhaps Republicans would care to explain why only Nixon received a presidental pardon by an unelected Republican president - placing a president above the law. A twice elected president, particularly Republican ones, are quite capable of thwarting the will of the people.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2005 10:49:40 PM
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So true and let's not forget Reagan and Ollie North! Reagan used the defense of"I don't recall"! After all those years of Republican corruption,Bill Clinton's personal sexual /moral failings seem pretty tame in comparison!
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2005 11:47:26 PM
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Jhud
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How quick the Republicans forget - it was Richard Nixon who was also elected for a second term and then returned their trust by commiting crimminal acts. Perhaps Republicans would care to explain why only Nixon received a presidental pardon by an unelected Republican president - placing a president above the law. A twice elected president, particularly Republican ones, are quite capable of thwarting the will of the people.
A Presidential pardon isn't 'above the law'; it's actually a Constitutional power. One which Clinton used numerous times to get his buddies off.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/15/2005 11:50:03 PM
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Jhud
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So true and let's not forget Reagan and Ollie North! Reagan used the defense of"I don't recall"! After all those years of Republican corruption,Bill Clinton's personal sexual /moral failings seem pretty tame in comparison!
"all those years of Republican corruption"? Iran-contra was hardly years worth of corruption. Years worth of hearings, yes, but it hardly constituted a corrupt government.
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RE: All Bush - The Critque - One Stop Thread - 8/16/2005 5:10:31 PM
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So true and let's not forget Reagan and Ollie North! Reagan used the defense of"I don't recall"! After all those years of Republican corruption,Bill Clinton's personal sexual /moral failings seem pretty tame in comparison!
"all those years of Republican corruption"? Iran-contra was hardly years worth of corruption. Years worth of hearings, yes, but it hardly constituted a corrupt government.
Actually, I was speaking of ALL the miserable years of Nixon,Ford and Reagan! I will never forget what an old timer told me way back in the 70's "that the only time he remembered going hungry was when a Republican was in office" I now understand why.
from wikpedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair
The Reagan administration had been providing covert assistance to the Contras since November 1981, but the 1982 Boland Amendment blocked further military aid when it was discovered that the CIA had supervised acts of sabotage in Nicaragua without notifying Congress. The amendment, effective December 1983 to September 1985, prohibited the CIA, Defense Department, and any other government agency from providing any further covert military assistance. The Reagan administration circumvented this ban by using the National Security Council, which was not explicitly covered by the law, to supervise covert support. The NSC proceeded to raise private and foreign funds for the Contras. In addition, proceeds from the arms sales to Iran were used to purchase arms for the Contras in an arrangement instituted by Colonel Oliver North, aide to National Security Advisor John Poindexter.
In December 1985, President Reagan signed a secret presidential "finding" describing the deal as "arms-for-hostages." Let's see from '81 to 85, 4 years not long enough?
and let's not forget the "DRUG-LINK" ! QUOTE from your post - "but it hardly constituted a corrupt government." 
from common Dreams News Center http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0507-26.htm
The George W. Bush presidency has been one long rehab session for the Iran-contra scoundrels of the Reagan-Bush administration. Many infamous veterans of the foreign policy connivance of the Reagan days have found a home in Bush II. Elliott Abrams--who pleaded guilty to misleading Congress regarding the Reagan administration's secret support of the contra rebels fighting the Sandinista government of Nicaragua--was hired as a staffmember of George W. Bush's National Security Council and placed in charge of democracy promotion. Retired Admiral John Poindexter--who was Reagan's national security adviser, who supervised Oliver North during the Iran-contra days, and who was convicted of several Iran-contra crimes before the convictions were overturned on a legal technicality--was retained by the Pentagon to search for terrorists using computerized Big Brother technology. John Negroponte--who as ambassador to Honduras in the early 1980s was the on-the-ground overseer of pro-contra operations there--was recruited by Bush to be UN ambassador, then ambassador to Iraq, and, most recently, the first director of national intelligence. Otto Reich--who mounted an arguably illegal pro-contra propaganda effort when he was a Reagan official--was appointed by Bush to be in charge of Latin American policy at the State Department. Now comes the news that another Iran-contra alum--a fellow who failed a polygraph test during the Iran-contra investigation--is playing a critical role in Bush's war in terrorism.
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