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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/14/2008 3:00:39 PM
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[I can really see SGM struggling in our tough economic times, more than other forms of music, simply based on the type of crowd they draw. Older folks for one, and church folks for another. Older people are usually on a fixed income and church folk are usually fairly tapped out supporting ministries of their own churches. That means entertainment and para-church giving are the first to get the ax.]
I think this is contrary to what the Bible says about giving. If you support ministries, be it singing or preaching, God will honor that, and will bless you in return. This is the only place in the Bible that God says to test him. The more you give, the more you get.
Where do you take it away from? Fact is everyone has a finite amount of money. Do you take it away from your regular church giving? Do you take it away from missionary giving? Also, you have to consider the stewardship of your money. You have travel costs, meal costs possibly, and depending on the type of event, lodging.
Would spending 100.00 on a trip to a SG concert be less prudent or more prudent than giving that 100.00 in church. Remember only a small porition of the total you spend on a concert does anything to further the gospel. The 50.00 in the gas tank sure doesn't. The meal you eat along the way doesn't help the gospel any.
My point is that when times are hard, you DO have to think carefully about spending money, and spend it where it does the most good.
In principle I agree that stewardship and wisdom must be exercised in using our money.
That said, spending the money to go out and support group can do so much to further the Gospel. After all, these groups see souls saved on a regular basis.
If you're a human being like the rest of us, you also need encouragement and "recharging" of the batteries, and sometimes going to hear a group can rejuvenate your own ministry. Just some random thoughts.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/14/2008 5:47:14 PM
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I agree with you on the Kingsmen website, it definitely needs an upgrade. I'd love to have that new Honoring the Heritage project, but I can't find it anywhere online. If they'd update their website and their web store I could just order it off of it.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/14/2008 8:51:53 PM
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I agree with you on the Kingsmen website, it definitely needs an upgrade. I'd love to have that new Honoring the Heritage project, but I can't find it anywhere online. If they'd update their website and their web store I could just order it off of it.
Just call their office and order over the phone, that's how i got the latest projects from them.
I've thought about going that route, but I despise talking on the phone. I've been holding out, hoping that it will become available somewhere online.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/14/2008 9:03:44 PM
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Hey ya'll.. I am sorry that our website has not been updated. We had planned on having it revamped by musiccity.net by now, but our bus fire put us using those funds for leasing buses, etc. I apologize and once the website is reworked and I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING on it, it will blow you away! Haha!
I will update it nightly, and will have everything from CD's to Harold "Huggy" Reed bobleheads! (KIDDING about the boblehead)
Don't be afraid to call the office to order product until then. Our secretaries are nice.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/14/2008 9:06:09 PM
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Thanks Bryan for the update. Keep us posted. We would like to see you post here often.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/15/2008 3:00:24 PM
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No problem Bryan. Thanks for responding.
I can't wait for the new look.....I am serious.....if you need ideas, look at the Oak Ridge Boys website.
I totally understand the bus fire situation....has that been recent?
Keep safe out there......here's hoping for a new Kingsmen Qt. t-shirt with the group picture on it!
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/15/2008 6:39:21 PM
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The bus fire happened before NQC. It was an electrical fire and was contained in a battery/invertor bay. The fire burnt through a lot of wires, and destroyed one of the airbags, so the bus was not driveable. It did a lot of internal damage. We finally picked our bus up last Saturday. We were on 3 different lease coaches during that time. Hemphill Brothers Coaches took extra good care of us.
We have a new T-shirt that says "I Remember When God Ran." You can order it thru the Kingsmen office.
We thought about putting our faces on a shirt, (just in time for Halloween) but Ray said the "world is not ready for that."
Phillip made up a prototype of the "Huggy Boblehead", but the head is so big, that it won't stand up.
(Totally kidding)
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/15/2008 6:56:44 PM
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Phillip's head or Harold's head????????? LOL
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/15/2008 7:22:50 PM
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I have a question for Bryan, or really anyone who may know. Do any of the current Kingsmen write songs? I got curious about songwriting and looked back over my Kingsmen CDs and shockingly I seen that going back as far as 2002's Good News, only One song, ("Shadow of Your Wings",) has been written by a Kingsmen member that was active with the group at the time of the album release.
Do the Kingsmen discourage members writing, or is this something has just worked out that way? I know Squire has written bunches, but I'm talking about more recent lineups.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/15/2008 7:54:36 PM
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The Kingsmen do not discourage any of the guys from writing songs. Some people are gifted in areas that some are not.
I used to write a lot of songs back in my early 20's and to be honest, those songs were not very good.
When choosing material for an album, I would rather the songs that we use be great songs that came from other writers, rather than have "mediocre" songs, because a group member wrote it.
The song to which you are referring is a great song. It was one of my favorites on that album.
In my opinion, it's not easy writing a great gospel song. Thousands of songs have been written about God, Christ, Forgiveness, Mercy, Grace, Restoration or Christ's returning. Writing a new song that doesn't SOUND like another song is not easy. To the songwriters out there, keep it up.
You never know, I may break out my pen and paper one day. Before I submit it, it will be a great song.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/15/2008 8:57:58 PM
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Thanks for the insight Bryan. I appeciate it. I have often wondered just how many good gospel songs there were left to write. Like you said, writing new songs that don't sound like old ones must be very hard.
I would say that everything that can be sung about has been. I guess that makes the challenge of writing even harder, knowing there probably isnt a subject, or approach to a subject that hasn't been written about, and that as a writer, the task becomes molding those thoughts and words in a way that's fresh, yet still maintaining doctrinal and musical integrity.
I think that we may see more allegorical songs like the great song, "Gospel Road", from When God Ran, that's obviously not intended to be taken literal, but to place emphasis on our path to heaven.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/16/2008 8:36:54 AM
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You never know, I may break out my pen and paper one day. Before I submit it, it will be a great song.
That's a good attitude!
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/16/2008 8:44:15 AM
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Thanks for the insight Bryan. I appeciate it. I have often wondered just how many good gospel songs there were left to write. Like you said, writing new songs that don't sound like old ones must be very hard.
I would say that everything that can be sung about has been. I guess that makes the challenge of writing even harder, knowing there probably isnt a subject, or approach to a subject that hasn't been written about, and that as a writer, the task becomes molding those thoughts and words in a way that's fresh, yet still maintaining doctrinal and musical integrity.
Boy, do I know what you mean!
I am fairly serious about learning songwriting (I've been working at it since '99).
Probably my biggest challenge is that I do have a fairly good memory for songs. I'm a church pianist in a church that takes requests, and I probably play anywhere from 300-500 songs from memory, and am familiar with the basic theme of a couple hundred more hymns. Then I have 11,000 songs in my iTunes collection, quite a few duplicates, but probably at least 8,000 unique songs.
So when I have a song idea, I can compare it to roughly 10,000 songs I've heard often enough to be familiar with, and all too often I reject it because I can think of something similar. And probably many pro songwriters know even more.
And yet...songwriters keep coming up with unique ideas every year and totally knocking the ball out of the park!
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/16/2008 9:46:17 AM
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The song to which you are referring is a great song. It was one of my favorites on that album.
"Shadow of His Wings" was my #2 favorite off that project. My Favorite was "Justified". IMHO if it had been released to Radio first, it would have made it to SN Song of the Year. I thought, and still think, it said more than ANY other song on Good News.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/16/2008 4:32:33 PM
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There are many great songs on the Good News CD and the Ready CD as well
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The song to which you are referring is a great song. It was one of my favorites on that album.
"Shadow of His Wings" was my #2 favorite off that project. My Favorite was "Justified". IMHO if it had been released to Radio first, it would have made it to SN Song of the Year. I thought, and still think, it said more than ANY other song on Good News.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/16/2008 4:38:41 PM
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There are many great songs on the Good News CD and the Ready CD as well
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The song to which you are referring is a great song. It was one of my favorites on that album.
"Shadow of His Wings" was my #2 favorite off that project. My Favorite was "Justified". IMHO if it had been released to Radio first, it would have made it to SN Song of the Year. I thought, and still think, it said more than ANY other song on Good News.
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Those are 2 of my favorite CD's for sure!
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/16/2008 5:33:22 PM
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Those 2 CD's are overlooked, and it's a real shame. You guys are right, they are great CD's. I think the name change really hurt those CD's. Had those been released by "The Kingsmen", I think they'd have both done very well. They are loaded with great songs like, "I Call On Jesus", "Things Looked Different from the Cross", "I'm Going There", "Justified", "Resurrection Morning", "Good News", and of course "God Sits on High".
I'd love to see a "Kingsmen: Carolina Boys Revisted" CD, where they took the best songs off of those 2 albums and released that as one awesome CD.
1. God Sits on High
2. If You Died Tonight
3. Im Going There
4. Justified
5. Shadow of Your Wings
6. Things Looked Different From the Cross
7. Resurrection Morning
8. I'll Live in Glory
9. I Call On Jesus
10. Good News
What a song list.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/16/2008 7:52:44 PM
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Although..... remember, "God Sits on High" went Number 1 for the Carolina Boys with the Singing News Magazine.
Oh yeah, I remember it well. That song was what got them the little recognition that they did get during that time. Didn't they win the Horizon Group that year? I was thrilled they won, but disagreed with them being eligible though, seeing as how it was really "The Kingsmen" with no lineup changes. I have never thought simply a name change should qualify a group for that kind of award. (They did win it with the lineup of Jerry, Randy, Parker and Ray, right?) It wasnt after the shake up of members was it?
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/16/2008 10:32:02 PM
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Although..... remember, "God Sits on High" went Number 1 for the Carolina Boys with the Singing News Magazine.
Oh yeah, I remember it well. That song was what got them the little recognition that they did get during that time. Didn't they win the Horizon Group that year? I was thrilled they won, but disagreed with them being eligible though, seeing as how it was really "The Kingsmen" with no lineup changes. I have never thought simply a name change should qualify a group for that kind of award. (They did win it with the lineup of Jerry, Randy, Parker and Ray, right?) It wasnt after the shake up of members was it?
That is correct!
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/16/2008 10:40:34 PM
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That's what I thought. I didnt think they had made any changes at that point.
Now, I would have completely agreed with the Horizon award if it had been the Derrick Boyd, Jason Selph, Tim Surrett, Ray Reece group with the Carolina Boys name. You could argue that Ray being the only vocalist from the Kingsmen group indeed had a new group.
Thinking about these old CBQ albums, I popped "Ready" in, and man I miss Randy Crawford. I really wish he'd get back on the road with a good group. I can see his voice fitting in nicely with most of the top groups.
I'd loved to have seen him replace Jonathan Wilburn in Gold City, but oh well, Bruce is good too.
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RE: The Kingsmen Thread - 10/17/2008 9:01:53 AM
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That's what I thought. I didnt think they had made any changes at that point.
Now, I would have completely agreed with the Horizon award if it had been the Derrick Boyd, Jason Selph, Tim Surrett, Ray Reece group with the Carolina Boys name. You could argue that Ray being the only vocalist from the Kingsmen group indeed had a new group.
Thinking about these old CBQ albums, I popped "Ready" in, and man I miss Randy Crawford. I really wish he'd get back on the road with a good group. I can see his voice fitting in nicely with most of the top groups.
I'd loved to have seen him replace Jonathan Wilburn in Gold City, but oh well, Bruce is good too.
Yes, it's sad, that Randy Crawford has left gospel music, as well as Parker Jonathan.
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