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RE: Debate - One Stop Thread - 7/26/2008 1:49:26 PM
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agapetos
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I think it's a great idea and would like your input on it. Melissa, I didn't add in my earlier post.
I think they can be great to do too. My health care worker and I do a care plan every 6 months (or so) to discuss my needs and what help and support I need and what further steps can be taken to further improve my health.
I do think that sometimes we can become stressed out by looking at things as a whole though (I know I can) and it's much easier to break it down into small steps. So while the whole idea of wrap is good, in it's entirity, it can be daunting and I don't think anyone should feel they have to be able to know all the answers at the start. Sometimes we have no real idea of what the answers are anyway!
Also, I think there's a tendancy for us to set our sights very high in what we are supposed to do ~ or are able to do. I hear from various people that they feel guilty because they're not up at the crack of dawn, cleaning the house, going out to work, coming home and preparing a meal and then taking responsiblity for organising some social activity in the evening and at w/ends.
I think it's good to realise and accept that while sometimes all we may be able to do is get up, brush our teeth and take our meds it is a positve thing we are doing and we have to give ourselves credit for it. I'm not saying that we have the right to do nothing all day every day, just that we need to remember even small things count.
There are many systems similar to wrap out these days ~ many can be accessed online and are free. As with meds, it can be a mindfield to find the one that is right for you, or to be able to adapt it (which is why someone else's input is valuable) to suit you.
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RE: Debate - One Stop Thread - 7/27/2008 6:15:03 PM
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agapetos
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Just a reminder folks, this is the debate thread.
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RE: Debate - One Stop Thread - 7/27/2008 6:21:14 PM
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Roberta_
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Thanks aga! I must've gotten forums blur and posted in the wrong thread.
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RE: Debate - One Stop Thread - 7/28/2008 1:07:36 PM
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ORIGINAL: agapetos
Just a reminder folks, this is the debate thread.
You being argumentative now? 
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 8/9/2008 12:15:27 PM
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terryjohn
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I would be careful about saying satan uses it to keep us from God for in reality satan may actually use the opposite to keep us from God as it is exactly why many of us actually seek out God in the first place. You could then say he should have learnt that by now that if he only gave us the evil desires of our hearts we would never seek God. We could then go on to say, that when we are happy and have no need for God,and we do not seek Him. In scripture we also read about God knowing full well how to preserve wicked men unto judgement by having them see no need for repentance. Depression is an essential opposite of knowing and loving God.
Having seen the glory of God and then returning to a normal state of being, all the holy men of days gone by were then by comparison depressed and frustrated.
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 8/14/2008 12:10:33 AM
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While I do belive that it is a real disease and a chemical imbalance in your brain, I do also believe in spiritual warfare which can be almost the same. I have had people tell me that my problem was just that at times. And they were right. It is the people who say it is nothing but the work of satan who are wrong. But satan will use anything to get us away from God, and I don't know about you, but if you are so depressed that you want to die and not calling out for God, then you are almost as far away from him as you can be.
You just need to be able to tell the difference. It has happened to me where I had issues that I knew weren't my normal depression/anxiety and praying and being prayed for was the only thing that helped.
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 9/4/2008 2:32:00 PM
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Bevik
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I will weigh in on this debate: Mental illness is a two fold issue. At it root, it is a chemical imbalance in the brain. I know from experience. I take medicine to keep my brain functioning properly. I have been diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder type I. If I go off my meds, I go into la-la land. If I keep taking my prescription, I stay as normal as any other person.
There are two forces at work in mental illness, the physical and the spiritual. It is true with any illness. When the flesh is weak, you are vulnerable to attack from the enemy. Illnesses that attack the nervous system make a person especially vulnerable. It is my belief that G-d does provide a way out for these people. It is called doctors that provide treatment. People may rail against psychiatric medications, but they are much preferable to living in a 'trip' induced by a chemical imbalance of the brain.
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 11/30/2008 1:13:24 AM
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womaninchrist
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I'm not a doctor, honestly I haven't taken anything past first aid (and that was over 20 years ago), but I've been wondering when doctors would begin to document this. I know doctors were very quick to slap the diagnosis upon me after hearing mention of stuff like "sometimes depressed but not always" and "keeps odd hours" along with "makes a game of shopping". I also know I've met several in real life or through various forums who were diagnosed by mention of "moodiness" or "mood swings" but whose mood episodes aren't anywhere near the duration of those mentioned for a diagnosis of bipolar in the DSM-IV (the shortest episode in the DSM-IV is hypomania which requires at least 4 days and the people were talking of "episodes" of "depression" or "mania" lasting a few minutes to a max of an hour or so - not even a full day).
The one dispute I'd have with the article is about fault. Some of the psychiatrists I've seen have been grossly incompetent or had very major problems with ethics and/or professionalism - these sorts of things won't be fixed by putting pharmaceutical companies on a leash, stopping how they push their "latest and greatest" meds on doctors or stopping direct-to-consumer ads (even if we just stop the ones that coach people in what symptoms to say you have and how to say you have them to get the advertised med). Psychiatry could do a much better job on policing itself for quality. The other problem is that in many cases INSURANCE (or the patient) is pushing for a "quick fix" - i.e. find something that can be fixed with a diagosis that just needs a pill - and there's a push to avoid or greatly minimize counseling even where it's most appropriate. I've seen a lot of people who have by their own admission stuff like PTSD or borderline personality disorder and they can get little or no counseling but they can get some (often unproven for their condition) medication - and that med is often an atypical antipsychotic.
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RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 11/30/2008 3:11:25 AM
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Roberta_
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Excellent points womaninchrist!
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