|
Users viewing this topic:
none
|
|
Login  | |
|
Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/9/2008 3:22:40 PM
|
|
|
jonas049
Posts: 17
Joined: 10/6/2008
From: Harrisburg, PA
Status: offline
|
So I was wondering, since the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all essentially tell the same story, which is the most informative or best to use? Which is your favorite?
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/9/2008 3:31:05 PM
|
|
|
dduuggyy
Posts: 25
Joined: 1/20/2006
Status: offline
|
All of them are useful for their purpose by GOD just foretold in different perspectives. Don't take away anything....all are favorites...just read them prayfully and you will see the connection. Blessing to you on your committment to know and understand.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/9/2008 3:40:32 PM
|
|
|
Geraldh
Posts: 48
Joined: 7/22/2008
Status: offline
|
Each sees the events from another equal and inerrant perspective and adds to our understanding.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/9/2008 4:13:26 PM
|
|
|
Lapidoth
Posts: 3574
Joined: 4/13/2005
From: OKLAHOMA
Status: offline
|
It takes all four to get the full picture.
That's why those movies based only on one gospel
don't seem to be biblical.
I'd like to see someone who understood the time and culture
to put all four gospels in perspective and make one movie
based on ALL the facts.
_____________________________
Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
BARUCH HABA BASHEM YAHUAH
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/9/2008 4:17:12 PM
|
|
|
sue244
Posts: 442
Joined: 6/7/2006
From: Colorado
Status: online
|
All of them are reliable. They all have different perspectives and present a differnent picture of Jesus, Matthew He is King, Mark, He is the Servent, Luke, He is the Son of Man, and John He is God.
_____________________________
"Indeed I Tremble for this country when I reflect that God is Just and His Justice cannot Sleep Forever"
Jefferson
"Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.” Churchill
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/9/2008 5:02:54 PM
|
|
|
DougHorton
Posts: 920
Joined: 4/12/2005
From: Georgia
Status: offline
|
Mark gives an abbreviated account of the ministry of Jesus.
Matthew ties the life and ministry of Jesus to the Old Testament.
Luke gives the historical perspective for the person who needs to reason it through.
John fills in the details, especially about the deity of Jesus.
_____________________________
Doug
You may think it strange, but he never likes any assistance. When he made the world, he did not ask the angel Gabriel so much as to cool the molten matter with his wing, but he did it entirely himself. -- Spurgeon
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/9/2008 5:30:16 PM
|
|
|
SophiesLadder
Posts: 48
Joined: 9/29/2008
From: Atlanta, GA
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: DougHorton
Mark gives an abbreviated account of the ministry of Jesus.
Matthew ties the life and ministry of Jesus to the Old Testament.
Luke gives the historical perspective for the person who needs to reason it through.
John fills in the details, especially about the deity of Jesus.
My favorite is John, though I agree, we need them all. Here's the way I view them:
Mark - a quick overview for the new Christian, with emphasis on the Kingdom of God and Jesus wanting to keep his true nature a secret until the right time.
Matthew - as pointed out above, probably written for the Jewish convert, since it focuses on the Old Testament connections.
Luke - for the Greek (since Luke was a Gentile), a companion to the Book of Acts, sequel to Luke.
John - for me, much more philosophical, introducing the concept of the Word / Logos. Jesus speaks more about Himself here and the relationship between the Father and the Son is emphasized. I think this gospel needs to be read in conjunction with the epistles of John. Fellowship is key to all of John's writings.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/9/2008 5:43:24 PM
|
|
|
jonas049
Posts: 17
Joined: 10/6/2008
From: Harrisburg, PA
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: SophiesLadder
quote:
ORIGINAL: DougHorton
Mark gives an abbreviated account of the ministry of Jesus.
Matthew ties the life and ministry of Jesus to the Old Testament.
Luke gives the historical perspective for the person who needs to reason it through.
John fills in the details, especially about the deity of Jesus.
My favorite is John, though I agree, we need them all. Here's the way I view them:
Mark - a quick overview for the new Christian, with emphasis on the Kingdom of God and Jesus wanting to keep his true nature a secret until the right time.
Matthew - as pointed out above, probably written for the Jewish convert, since it focuses on the Old Testament connections.
Luke - for the Greek (since Luke was a Gentile), a companion to the Book of Acts, sequel to Luke.
John - for me, much more philosophical, introducing the concept of the Word / Logos. Jesus speaks more about Himself here and the relationship between the Father and the Son is emphasized. I think this gospel needs to be read in conjunction with the epistles of John. Fellowship is key to all of John's writings.
Ok, so you're saying the book of John emphasizes the relationship between the Father and the Son, but sue244 above stated that the perspective presented in this book is that Jesus (Son) IS God (Father)...so how can one book show two opposing views?
I apologize if I sound ignorant to this stuff...I'm not very well educated as far as the Bible goes.. 
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/9/2008 5:50:56 PM
|
|
|
DougHorton
Posts: 920
Joined: 4/12/2005
From: Georgia
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: jonas049
Ok, so you're saying the book of John emphasizes the relationship between the Father and the Son, but sue244 above stated that the perspective presented in this book is that Jesus (Son) IS God (Father)...so how can one book show two opposing views?
I apologize if I sound ignorant to this stuff...I'm not very well educated as far as the Bible goes..
The first person of the trinity is the Creator, most often referred to as the Father, because all things procede from Him.
The second person of the Trinity is the Redeemer, who came to earth as the Son, Jesus, to live a perfect life and die on our behalf. He is no less God.
The third person of the Trinity is the Spirit, who indwells believers.
God is all of one essence in three persons.
So, referring to both Jesus and the Father as God is correct, but confusing for newbies. 
_____________________________
Doug
You may think it strange, but he never likes any assistance. When he made the world, he did not ask the angel Gabriel so much as to cool the molten matter with his wing, but he did it entirely himself. -- Spurgeon
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/9/2008 7:25:32 PM
|
|
|
flyboy2610
Posts: 92
Joined: 5/10/2005
Status: offline
|
Which is more important: air or food and water?
_____________________________
If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.
Red Green
If you're going to live like there's no hell..... you'd better be right.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/9/2008 11:05:34 PM
|
|
|
Liveloved
Posts: 1824
Status: offline
|
quote:
So I was wondering, since the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all essentially tell the same story, which is the most informative or best to use? Which is your favorite?
I wouldn't want to do without any of them. But Luke and John are my favorites. Luke's emphasis is on people and John's emphasis is relationship---and I see those (people/relationships) as primary in the Christlife.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/10/2008 9:45:34 AM
|
|
|
raivyne
Posts: 862
Joined: 8/28/2008
Status: offline
|
I wouldn't say one is better than the other. They all offer different perspectives on the same events. Some authors found this or that thing more important than the others and took note of it.
Its kind of like when the police interview many witnesses to get the best picture possible. One man may have noticed the shirt the criminal was wearing... another may have seen a tattoo... etc. All the perspectives are valuable for building a complete picture.
_____________________________
God grades on the cross – not on a curve
Good – God = 0
In the dark? Follow the Son!
The Power of a Simple Gift! samaritanspurse.org
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/10/2008 4:08:57 PM
|
|
|
figmentPez
Posts: 2087
Joined: 4/11/2005
From: TX
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: DougHorton
The first person of the trinity is the Creator, most often referred to as the Father, because all things procede from Him.
All three persons of the Godhead are creator.
Colossians 1:15-16
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Gen 1:2
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
As we can see, from scripture, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all the creator God. The LORD created all things, and Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all LORD. The Father is called the Father because He is the Father of the Son. The Son is eternally begotten of the Father, the Son has always been the Son of the Father, and that is where God's fatherhood is found.
_____________________________
I make this challenge to all Christians:
Read Daniel 7:13-14
And tell me: Who do you say that the Son of Man is?
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/10/2008 6:54:46 PM
|
|
|
DougHorton
Posts: 920
Joined: 4/12/2005
From: Georgia
Status: offline
|
Pez,
I am relying on the classical labels passed down through history. If you don't like that, go argue with someone else. It's not worth my effort.
_____________________________
Doug
You may think it strange, but he never likes any assistance. When he made the world, he did not ask the angel Gabriel so much as to cool the molten matter with his wing, but he did it entirely himself. -- Spurgeon
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/11/2008 5:27:44 AM
|
|
|
FurGodWurLivin
Posts: 979
Joined: 4/17/2005
From: Kansas City, MO
Status: offline
|
The four Gospels are all reliable and all tell an important facet of the story, but since all four are written for different purposes to different audiences, it really depends on what you need.
As far as factual correctness and chronology, take Luke. If you want an order of importance, take Mark. If you want a literary masterpiece that stresses the Love of God and what Jesus said, take John. If you want proof that Jesus was a fulfillment of OT prophecy, take Matthew.
Hope that helps a little.
Adam
_____________________________
I am hyena, Jesus is my Mufasa...
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/12/2008 3:18:59 AM
|
|
|
brothertodd
Posts: 129
Joined: 4/7/2008
Status: offline
|
All 4 should be taken as 1, especially for context example One states Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for they shall be filled, But another has Bessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled. For righteousness takes on the true meaning and context..the one without righteousness can and has been taken out of context by those who distort the word for their own aims
_____________________________
Brother Todd, servant of Christ
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/15/2008 2:52:16 PM
|
|
|
Mark328
Posts: 157
Joined: 8/9/2008
Status: offline
|
All 4 gospels are told from 4 different perspectives, and add up to a bigger picture than 1 gospel can do by itself. I was told by my pastor that the best way to read the gospels would be to read in this order - John, Matthew, Mark and Luke. I'm not entirely sure what his reason for this was, but the gospels do seem to read better in that sequence.
To answer the OP's question, I don't see any one gospel being more reliable than another.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/15/2008 7:27:35 PM
|
|
|
FurGodWurLivin
Posts: 979
Joined: 4/17/2005
From: Kansas City, MO
Status: offline
|
I guess the reasoning is that Matthew, Mark, and Luke are the Synoptic Gospels and you have to put John somewhere...
_____________________________
I am hyena, Jesus is my Mufasa...
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/22/2008 7:45:37 PM
|
|
|
rarepair
Posts: 17
Joined: 1/22/2008
Status: offline
|
Only the surprising wisdom of the God of the Bible would lead to four different accounts of the same story. Each one adds a different kind of insight and was written with a different genius. Here's what I mean:
Matthew is the "Jewish" gospel that painstakingly shows how Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies of the Messiah. Being more Jewish in outlook, it also has more emphasis on how we should live, so this gospel has much more of Jesus' actual discipleship training. This is where you find the Sermon on the Mount.
Mark, my personal favorite, has fewer sayings of Jesus and instead makes its point by the careful sequence of stories. Look at it. Almost every story answers some way the one before it and sets up the one after it. Amazing writing!!! The point of the stories is to demonstrate (rather than argue) that Jesus is God. Mark also presents the Messiah as the way nobody would ever think of him -- a servant to us all.
Luke is the outsider, the gentile. I suspect when he travelled to Jerusalem with Paul he had to sit out in the court of the women at the Temple while Paul went in and met with the apostles. So Luke could easily have overhead the WOMEN'S stories and their point of view, which would explain why Luke has so many of the Mary stories and many stories about women. He understood Jesus the way he himself experienced him -- the friend to the outcasts and rejects.
John. It took me a long time to appreciate John. He pretty much through out the established story line and instead carefully selected seven miracles as launching pads for discussion. His purpose is to help us understand how amazing this incarnation was. The very Creator of the universe walked and talked among us. This is the one, the Almighty, who loves us so much that He would die to enable us to live. The first chapter of this gospel may be the most compelling and powerful passage in the entire Bible.
I am so grateful that God blessed us with all four gospels. The story is way to big to be contained in just one account.
_____________________________
"In heaven, I have only you, and on this earth you are all I want. My body and my mind may fail, but you are my strength and my choice forever." Ps. 73:25-26 CEV
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/23/2008 11:58:02 AM
|
|
|
Lapidoth
Posts: 3574
Joined: 4/13/2005
From: OKLAHOMA
Status: offline
|
This week we have given everyone the "homework" for church to
dig out the Passover.
I have drawn out the time table between the Triumphal Entry until
the Ascension.
Yikes!!!!!
What contradictions I have found I didn't see before. lol
So, my study buddy and I have a task of rectifying them all. lol.
But, bottom line, the Gospel is there in all four and that's the key part.
< Message edited by Lapidoth -- 10/23/2008 12:08:30 PM >
_____________________________
Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
BARUCH HABA BASHEM YAHUAH
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/25/2008 2:58:43 PM
|
|
|
benelchi
Posts: 2820
Joined: 9/14/2007
From: California
Status: online
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
This week we have given everyone the "homework" for church to
dig out the Passover.
I have drawn out the time table between the Triumphal Entry until
the Ascension.
Yikes!!!!!
What contradictions I have found I didn't see before. lol
So, my study buddy and I have a task of rectifying them all. lol.
But, bottom line, the Gospel is there in all four and that's the key part.
Steven's and Burton's harmony of the Gospel's has a pretty good harmonization of the Passion Week (I have it in electronic form if you want it PM me). Also Lightfoot has some good information in his comentary serries on the NT and the Talmud and Hebriaca, and Edersheim has has a good article in the end of one of his books (I believe it is the Temple book). These are some good places to start.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/25/2008 8:56:14 PM
|
|
|
steve7150
Posts: 215
Joined: 5/16/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
So I was wondering, since the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all essentially tell the same story, which is the most informative or best to use? Which is your favorite?
IMHO Matthew and John are in rarified air , simply amazing books. It's hard to choose between the two because they seem to have different goals but if i had to choose,
John
Matthew
Luke
Mark.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 10/28/2008 1:24:39 PM
|
|
|
netstroller
Posts: 158
Joined: 4/14/2005
From: dust and ashes
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: jonas049
So I was wondering, since the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John all essentially tell the same story, which is the most informative or best to use? Which is your favorite?
As has been mentioned, each book reports events from a unique perspective, to cover it from all angles so to speak. And each book is partly directed at specific audiences, to help them understand things easier--coming at it from their (audience's) world view.
If you are wanting to get a chronological order of events, Luke is generally the most chronological in it's telling of the events, and tends to contain more details, as Luke its author was a physician and tended to take a linear and analytical approach to seeing things.
_____________________________
...let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, ...
(Heb 12:1-2)
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Which Gospel is most reliable? - 11/4/2008 12:30:42 PM
|
|
|
Lapidoth
Posts: 3574
Joined: 4/13/2005
From: OKLAHOMA
Status: offline
|
quote:
What we have with the four Gospels are four different perspectives on the same events. Naturally, there will be differences in the details between them, as there will be in any four alternate perspectives. This actually goes a long way to proving the reliability of the Gospels. Had the four authors fabricated this story, then the details themselves would have been fabricated, and would then match closely. The fact that the four Gospels give different details, but do not contradict each other, is incredibly strong evidence that they are honest eyewitness accounts of the same events.
Here's a LINK that might be interesting.
_____________________________
Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
BARUCH HABA BASHEM YAHUAH
|
|
|
|
 New Messages |
 No New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/ New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/o New Messages |
 Locked w/ New Messages |
 Locked w/o New Messages |
|
 Post New Thread
Reply to Message
Post New Poll
Submit Vote
Delete My Own Post
Delete My Own Thread
Rate Posts |
|
|
Forum Tools
Printable Version
