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What is a Protestant? - 10/24/2008 10:45:26 PM
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psalm867
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Are any and all non-Catholic Christians considered to be "Protestant"?
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/24/2008 10:51:49 PM
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Nope!
Protestants are part of the Baptist denomination
However there are several other denominations that are not protestant:
Lutheran
Prestyterian
Pentecostal
Methodist
Episcopal
Non Denominational
and there are so many, but these are a few. Also in each name of these there are also other sects.
Like Lutheran has Missouri synod, Wisconsin synod and Ecla
are you understanding now?
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/24/2008 10:56:56 PM
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Not all Non-Roman Catholic Churches are Protestant.
There is the Church of England (Angelican) and then there are the Greek Orthodox/Eastern Orthodox Christians.
....I'm not a Christian History buff. So I may be wrong.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/24/2008 10:57:21 PM
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psalm867
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ORIGINAL: delete123
Nope!
Protestants are part of the Baptist denomination
However there are several other denominations that are not protestant:
Lutheran
Prestyterian
Pentecostal
Methodist
Episcopal
Non Denominational
and there are so many, but these are a few. Also in each name of these there are also other sects.
Like Lutheran has Missouri synod, Wisconsin synod and Ecla
are you understanding now?
LOL, I am more confused now. I thought that *the main* Protestant religion was Lutheran, after Martin Luther, and wasn't sure about the rest. But you say Lutheran is in the "definitely not category".
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/24/2008 10:59:17 PM
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psalm867
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ORIGINAL: ladyichigo
Not all Non-Roman Catholic Churches are Protestant.
There is the Church of England (Angelican) and then there are the Greek Orthodox/Eastern Orthodox Christians.
....I'm not a Christian History buff. So I may be wrong.
We posted at the same time, lol.
What about "evangelical"- are they "Protestant"?
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/24/2008 11:10:22 PM
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deborlie
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Gee Whiz!
I thought if the church wasn't Catholic, it was Protestant. (Excluding Jewish and other religions)
Showing my ingnorance.
The term Protestant, is exactly that. The people were, protest (ants) of the Catholic faith.
I'll have to get my book out again.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/24/2008 11:17:14 PM
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Lutheran is protestant, but not in the same dimension as Batpist which are a spin from it. Boy you really want a history it would take pages.
Martin Luther was against some of the doctrin of the Catholic Church and broke away, becoming a 'protestant' church. But after time other folks (this is how denominations or religions get started) decided against and opened another church,etc.... You will have to look up the order.
Because then each church branched out and now we have several. Even the Catholic church, you have Roman Catholic, Catholic, and Liberal Catholic and believe it or not there is another catholic where the priset are allowed to get married. Not to be confused with the Episcopalian denomination. Which also have more than one sect.
There is denomination within denominations in all churches
with the Baptist, you have your Southern Baptist, Conservative Baptist, Evangelic Baptist, etc...
And the list goes on
Is there one particular denom you are interested in?
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/25/2008 12:19:50 AM
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Protestantism originated in the 16th century Reformation, and most modern Protestant denominations can trace their heritage to one of the major movements that sprung up in the 16th century. Presbyterians are indebted to John Calvin and Reformed theology, as well as to John Knox and the Church of Scotland. Anglicans and Episcopalians trace their heritage to the Church of England that resulted from King Henry VIII's break from the authority of Rome. Evangelicalism (and to a slightly lesser degree, Methodism) is indebted to Pietism, a 17th century Protestant movement emphasizing a holy life, individual study of the scriptures, and better training of ministers.
Protestant denominations differ in the degree to which they reject the Catholic belief that the Pope and his hierarchy and structure are valid. Some churches, such as Anglicans and Lutherans, tend to resemble Catholicism in their formal liturgy and orthodoxy while others like Baptists, Presbyterians and Methodism(Wesleyan)retain very little of the liturgy and tradition associated with the Catholic church.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/25/2008 1:55:10 AM
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Protestant refers Martin Luther who at the time protested against some of the immoral actions of the Catholic Church.
IMO If you are not Catholic you are Protestant. The only exception would be the Eastern Orthodox Church which seperated from the Catholic Church in the 11th century.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/25/2008 7:35:45 AM
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A protestant is a donut eating christian who does not believe in a works based salvation.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/25/2008 10:48:50 AM
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i really like this subject. oh yea. the rcc came out with this garbage after they came out with the we are the church christ started 2000 yrs ago through peter. the first church. they are all protestant churches if they do not accept christ as lord and savior. if their doctrine does not go along with the word of god such as the rcc then they are protestant against god.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/25/2008 10:57:06 AM
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Philip Schaff (in "The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge"), summarises the principles of Protestantism in the following words:
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The Protestant goes directly to the Word of God for instruction, and to the throne of grace in his devotions; whilst the pious Roman Catholic consults the teaching of his church, and prefers to offer his prayers through the medium of the Virgin Mary and the saints.
From this general principle of Evangelical freedom, and direct individual relationship of the believer to Christ, proceed the three fundamental doctrines of Protestantism — the absolute supremacy of (1) the Word, and of (2) the grace of Christ, and (3) the general priesthood of believers. . . .
That sums it up pretty comprehensively IMO.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/25/2008 2:14:51 PM
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ORIGINAL: manda59
Philip Schaff (in "The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge"), summarises the principles of Protestantism in the following words:
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The Protestant goes directly to the Word of God for instruction, and to the throne of grace in his devotions; whilst the pious Roman Catholic consults the teaching of his church, and prefers to offer his prayers through the medium of the Virgin Mary and the saints.
From this general principle of Evangelical freedom, and direct individual relationship of the believer to Christ, proceed the three fundamental doctrines of Protestantism — the absolute supremacy of (1) the Word, and of (2) the grace of Christ, and (3) the general priesthood of believers. . . .
That sums it up pretty comprehensively IMO.
Makes good sense to me.
BTW, I was raised Methodist and considered myself to be Protestant. Now I'm Evangelical and STILL consider myself Protestant.
I'm gonna be until someone gives me good reason to be called otherwise.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/25/2008 2:43:06 PM
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Protestant refers Martin Luther who at the time protested against some of the immoral actions of the Catholic Church.
95 actions, posted on the door of the Wittenberg church on October 31, 1546; hence, Reformation Day, and the sparking of the Reformation. Good day for Christians to feast! And Luther wasn't the only protestor - there's a plethora of godly men who sacrificed their wealth, their social standing and even their lives to make this happen. It's a wonderful story, and you'll meet these men in heaven. Probably there were more people involved whose names have been lost, but we'll get the whole story some day. 
http://www.ovrlnd.com/GeneralInformation/martinluther.html - the 95 theses Martin Luther posted on the Wittenberg door.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther read with discernment; not all authors here are right.
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IMO If you are not Catholic you are Protestant. The only exception would be the Eastern Orthodox Church which seperated from the Catholic Church in the 11th century.
This "exception" would be big news to ~250 million Orthodox Christians. They were the first church, not just a historical footnote.
All which highlights that people are sinners. What a pain, eh? But God's grace is still at work, making people spiritually alive and sanctifying them, to the glory of God. We are family, and we shall be perfected. Meanwhile, we give each other grace and blessing, as we have been given great grace and blessing.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/25/2008 6:11:29 PM
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While it needs its own thread, I will disagree that the EOC is/was the original church. The original church in Jerusalem was much closer to Pharisaic Judaism than anything in existence today. Read acts.
And it was Rome that left the EOC and not the other way around, perhaps making the catholic church the first "protestants."
I started a similar thread a while back with the idea of determining whether modern Messianic Judaism was considered "protestant" or not. The consensus was mixed. "Protestant" had to do with being able to trace roots back to the reformation and the various pieces breaking off of the catholic church in Europe. Since MJ started with a couple of traditional orthodox rabbis (Isaac Lichtenstein, Joseph Rabbinowitz) reading the NT and accepting the gospel, and adding the risen Messiah to their Judaism, some said it was separate. Others said that since many Jews came to faith in protestant evangelical churches and later migrated to MJ, their background and input made it protestant.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/25/2008 8:03:49 PM
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i think a real point here is that there is nowhere in the word of god that talks about any denomination. it really doesnt talk about a church. it talks about a body of people that have set there faith in jesus christ and were called by him and followed the calling on their hearts. the truth here is that our faith is in christ and christ alone not any denominmation made up by men as they have seen the rcc grow with wirldly power and took the business into making their own denomination.
there is only one way and it never discusses anything concerning any denomination or joining any "church". do not be deceived at what some have made christianity.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/25/2008 9:06:26 PM
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While it needs its own thread, I will disagree that the EOC is/was the original church. The original church in Jerusalem was much closer to Pharisaic Judaism than anything in existence today. Read acts.
And it was Rome that left the EOC and not the other way around, perhaps making the catholic church the first "protestants."
faith in protestant evangelical churches and later migrated to MJ, their background and input made it protestant.
Dave ~ I always beleive that the RCC was more inline with the Judaism belief, since their church in a sense in their practice is almost like a split as mentioned in Galatians. They Practice Chrstianity, yet adhere to the laws.
In Galatians Paul rebuked Peter for this practice, because of the circumsicion (according to my finding is purifying ones sins). That many of the gentiles did and was passed on to the church for generations.
So therfore they follow a tradition of judaism and christianity. They have the law inclusive with the freedom of Christ.
Can you enlighten me?
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/25/2008 10:02:13 PM
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Nope!
Protestants are part of the Baptist denomination
However there are several other denominations that are not protestant:
Lutheran
Prestyterian
Pentecostal
Methodist
Episcopal
Non Denominational
and there are so many, but these are a few. Also in each name of these there are also other sects.
Like Lutheran has Missouri synod, Wisconsin synod and Ecla
are you understanding now?
Delete123, your information is almost completely wrong. Lutherans, Presbyterians, and Methodists are all definitively Protestant denominations, since they are all "reformed" churches. In addition, depending on your definition of "protestant", Pentecostal and Non-Denominational churches are also grouped in with Protestants. The only group that isn't Protestant is the Episcopal (Anglican) church.
From a dictionary standpoint, Protestant is defined as:
1. any Western Christian who is not an adherent of a Catholic, Anglican, or Eastern Church.
2. an adherent of any of those Christian bodies that separated from the Church of Rome during the Reformation, or of any group descended from them.
Lutherans, Presbyterians and more all find their roots directly in the Reformation, and are more closely associated with the term Protestant than Baptist churches.
Furthermore, your claim that Synods are different sects is patently false. A synod is a governmental body within a church denomination. In most cases, different synods within a single denomination have the same doctrinal beliefs and cannot be considered different sects because of that.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/26/2008 3:26:10 PM
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Thank you Dave for pointing this out. As I read the book of Acts and the book of Galatians, I believe it makes clear that the church in Jerusalem was still heavily influenced by the law, and not grace. It is spelled out very clearly that Paul was given a new "gospel" of grace to the gentiles, while Peter and the twelve were to stay in Jerusalem and give the gospel to the circumcised
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ORIGINAL: DaveW
While it needs its own thread, I will disagree that the EOC is/was the original church. The original church in Jerusalem was much closer to Pharisaic Judaism than anything in existence today. Read acts.
And it was Rome that left the EOC and not the other way around, perhaps making the catholic church the first "protestants."
I started a similar thread a while back with the idea of determining whether modern Messianic Judaism was considered "protestant" or not. The consensus was mixed. "Protestant" had to do with being able to trace roots back to the reformation and the various pieces breaking off of the catholic church in Europe. Since MJ started with a couple of traditional orthodox rabbis (Isaac Lichtenstein, Joseph Rabbinowitz) reading the NT and accepting the gospel, and adding the risen Messiah to their Judaism, some said it was separate. Others said that since many Jews came to faith in protestant evangelical churches and later migrated to MJ, their background and input made it protestant.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/26/2008 8:03:07 PM
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why are we ignoring the truthg of denominations and the fact thet there is none? if i am wrong in this share biblica; scripture. denominatipns are not of god.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/27/2008 6:45:11 AM
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Thank you Dave for pointing this out. As I read the book of Acts and the book of Galatians, I believe it makes clear that the church in Jerusalem was still heavily influenced by the law, and not grace. It is spelled out very clearly that Paul was given a new "gospel" of grace to the gentiles, while Peter and the twelve were to stay in Jerusalem and give the gospel to the circumcised Influenced by legalism or Torah? (both are covered by nomos) I would submit the latter, which is not at all in opposition to grace. But we will leave that for another one stop thread.
That the Jerusalem congregation under the leadership of James the Just was way more Jewish than the diaspora congregations is of no debate. It is alluded to in Acts and church historians state it was barely distinguishable from regular pharasaim. Eusubius decried the remnants of that group which he called the sect of the Nazoreans and proclaimed them (unjustly IMO) heretics.
But that was the FIRST form of what we now call christianity. All 11 (or 12 if you wish to include Mathias) of the original apostles were in that congregation.
So is the resurrection of that mode of worship "protestant" or not?
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/27/2008 11:12:13 AM
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chrisovery
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ok where in the bible does it discuss any denominations protestant or otherwise? the conversation on here just keeps going on about it as though it is biblical. this is dangerous for us and nonbelievers, it is part of the cause of many false doctrines and winds of garbage that people declare as the gospel.
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RE: What is a Protestant? - 10/27/2008 12:45:17 PM
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The only "denominations" listed anywhere in scripture were the 1st century Jewish denomimations (if you could really call them that) of Pharasee, Saduccee, Herodian, Zealots, and "The Way," aka "The Sect of the Nazorean." During the writing of the NT, christianity was considered a sect of Pharasaism. That started to change in 70 ad with the siege of Jerusalem and was completed in the 135 ad Bar Kochba revolt.
Like it or not, denominations are a fact of life on this fallen globe. We have to deal with it. To ignore it is to essentially believe a lie.
And it seems to me that false doctrines give rise to different denominations, not the other way around.
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