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What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 1:56:30 PM
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rockominal
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Again, last night Obaama says he looks forward to John McCain's support or help to move on or whatever. Maybe I just don't get the semantics with the use of the word bipartisan. Then again, I'm no politician. It just seems to me that if I'm running against you, it's because I think my ideas are better than yours. It's because I think I'm a better leader than you are. It's because I think I represent what the United States' should be about.
If you win, why would I reach across anything to help you if I think I'm better qualified than you are? When I am against you and your ideas to begin with, what should I do to help you?
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 1:58:48 PM
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It means that Republicans are expected to act like Democrats. Don't ever expect the Democrats to act like Republicans. Its a one way compromise which is why I hate it so much.
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 2:02:57 PM
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I think what it means now is that very liberal Democrats will reach across the aisle to work with less liberal Democrats.
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 2:10:51 PM
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Reaching across the aisle means laying aside partisan politics and becoming a public servant doing what's best for the country as a whole.
It means acting like a mature, intelligent, honest adult and learn how to work with others, how to listen to others and really hear them, how to think before speaking so as to temper one's words with wisdom and compassion so that they will be heard, how to go out of the box or one's comfort zone to see things from another point of view and gain better insight in the desicion-making process.
It means taking the time to really learn about the issues and how everyone is being afffected by them, and realizing that one's constituents comprises a far greater group than one's party or social peers, or donors.
It means doing a day's work- with one's seat in one's chair- and not taking "fact-finding" trips to the Bahamas and other exotic get-aways on our dime.
It means behaving with the utmost honor and integrity as one carries out the responsibilities of one's office and giving the same respect to the office as one would give in service to the Lord, and to do so as if He were standing right there watching.
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 2:22:44 PM
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Reaching across the aisle means laying aside partisan politics and becoming a public servant doing what's best for the country as a whole. Unfortunately what it has come to really mean is doing what is best to keep yourself in the powerful position in Washington that you find yourself, to keep your political career going at any cost, no matter what your constituents at home wish for.
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 3:00:38 PM
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phreddy
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A wise man once said, "When two groups compromise, they both lose."
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 3:03:19 PM
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Barack would be wise to have a bipartisan cabinet if he truly wants to reach out across the aisle.
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 3:18:00 PM
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Reaching across the aisle means laying aside partisan politics and becoming a public servant doing what's best for the country as a whole.
It means acting like a mature, intelligent, honest adult and learn how to work with others, how to listen to others and really hear them, how to think before speaking so as to temper one's words with wisdom and compassion so that they will be heard, how to go out of the box or one's comfort zone to see things from another point of view and gain better insight in the desicion-making process.
It means taking the time to really learn about the issues and how everyone is being afffected by them, and realizing that one's constituents comprises a far greater group than one's party or social peers, or donors.
It means doing a day's work- with one's seat in one's chair- and not taking "fact-finding" trips to the Bahamas and other exotic get-aways on our dime.
It means behaving with the utmost honor and integrity as one carries out the responsibilities of one's office and giving the same respect to the office as one would give in service to the Lord, and to do so as if He were standing right there watching.
 You actually think liberal democrats are going to do all that?
Unfortunately, they are about as likely to do that as the conservative GOP did after the 2000 election. Obama could mitigate this tendency if he uses his leadership skills to that end. Not likely, but possible.
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 3:33:42 PM
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I've always pictured it as a game of Red Rover, only involving old serious-looking guys in Armani suits.
What it really means is saying "if you vote for my bill that has stuff that you're not supposed to like in it, I'll add a rider giving your state a new freeway bridge or two so your constituents won't mind your betrayal so much."
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 3:39:56 PM
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It means agreeing with liberals.
I am absolutely disgusted with McCain, Graham, and others who give in to liberals. I am immediately truned off by the term 'bipartisan' or 'reaching across the aisle'. It is all code for giving in to liberal policy. If the conservatives try to get liberals to agree with them they are called obstructionists and partisans... one is only bipartisan when they are a conservative giving to lierals and their policy.
This is the main reason McCain lost this election... he is more interested in being liked and being nice than he is in winning. He let us down. He will still reach out to those who will do nothing in return but stab him, and us, in the back. I wish he would go retire and go home. Him and Lindsay Graham both.
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 4:20:15 PM
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Unfortunately, they are about as likely to do that as the conservative GOP did after the 2000 election. Obama could mitigate this tendency if he uses his leadership skills to that end. Not likely, but possible.
Why should either side "reach across the isle" if they truely believe in what they stand for then stand for it, no compromise. I think the right has to reach across the isle to get what they want done however it never seems to work the other way around. So when you hear democrats say "reach across the isle" they mean for the conservatives to shut up and sit down!
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 5:04:12 PM
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Doesn't anyone on this thread have the capacity to think that folks need to sit down together and look at each other like human beings, and treat each other accordingly? Good grief- the way some of y'all talk about "liberals" you make it sound like they have fangs, fur, claws, two heads, and are nowhere close to being human! And I have heard "liberals" talk of "conservatives" in the same way. Both need to be slapped upside the head with a huge dose of reality!
If this nation is to move forward and get out of the mess we're in we as citizens and our elected officials are going to have to learn how to work together for the common good. It means learning to talk to one another with respect, to listen earnestly, to actually consider each other's viewpoints, and to - yes- compromise with each other to reach workable solutions to our problems.
And this may be news to some of you, but very few issues are such polar opposites that some form of compromise can't be reached. Try reading some of the treatises by Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and other Founding Fathers on the necessity of compromise in governance, often referred to as the "common-sense approach".
If our elected officials are unwilling to grow up and work together, then we need to get them out of office and elect ones who can. I for one am tired-unto-death of politicians, partisan bickering and backstabbing, and other behaviors which waste time and our tax dollars. As Bill Cosby has said, "Come on, people!"
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 5:21:36 PM
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Reaching across the aisle means you realize that even though you may have won, you still have to work with the people who either ran or voted against you.
One of the first things Obama did in his acceptance speech was say that he would also be the president of those who did not get his vote and would listen to all sides.
During President Bush's first term he didn't even acknowledge that democrats existed and those that spoke up were immediately labeled as "aligning with terrorists". Even republican that would not rubber-stamp his policies soon found themselves out of a job. It was not until the democratic takeover in 2006 that Bush even realized there were democrats in the congress and that he would have to play nice with them if he wanted to get anything done during his second term. Is it any wonder that after 6 years of disdain and labeling that the democratic majority are enjoying their "gridlock" moment?
Ultra-conservatives seem to hate the concept of finding middle ground and compromise. They believe it should be their way or the highway. This may work well in a dictatorship or police state but doesn't really fly in a democracy.
Obama realizes that he has to govern from the middle if he hopes to get anything done during his administration. He already did some of this during his campaign when he warmed up to the idea of drilling and voting for the FISA bill. Despite what the far right may think, even Nancy Pelosi is more center than many think. I remember when she first became speaker of the house and many thought the first thing she would do is lead the charge to impeach President Bush. This hasn't happened now, had it.
One of the reasons McCain lost the election was that he lost his desire to reach across the aisle and do what is best for the country instead of what is right for his party (or in his case, for the religious right).
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 6:12:19 PM
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A wise man once said, "When two groups compromise, they both lose."
Extreme bingo!
As Rush says, being bipartisan isn't the hard thing to do, it is the gutless thing to do. Being partisan and standing up for your core values is much more difficult than compromising.
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 6:19:43 PM
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Ultra-conservatives seem to hate the concept of finding middle ground and compromise. They believe it should be their way or the highway. This may work well in a dictatorship or police state but doesn't really fly in a democracy.
Compromise is sometimes good. However if the issue involved is something the Word of God has a clear stance on, then to compromise is to give in to evil.
Knowing the difference is wisdom.
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 6:43:13 PM
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wing2000
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to the op:
If you don't know, you can start by actually listening to John McCain's concession speech.
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 7:47:54 PM
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PaleHawkWoman
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A wise man once said, "When two groups compromise, they both lose."
Extreme bingo!
As Rush says, being bipartisan isn't the hard thing to do, it is the gutless thing to do. Being partisan and standing up for your core values is much more difficult than compromising.
Yeah, and when people decide that "it's my way or the highway" and refuse to work with others for the common good, EVERYBODY loses as well.
Our elected officials have to learn how to work together, and learn how to accept that their constituants include quite a few folks they have nothing in common with but are sworn to represent, and put party politics aside to function as public servants. Such elected leaders are also known as "statesmen", a class far above politicians.
If a person doesn't have the intelligence to keep his/her core values while at the same time working with those of different values for the benefit of the majority, then that person has no business being in public office.
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 8:02:17 PM
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If a person doesn't have the intelligence to keep his/her core values while at the same time working with those of different values for the benefit of the majority, then that person has no business being in public office.
How does one keep their "core" values while compromising them? Other than shelving them, or simply looking the other way? What core values can a Christian compromise? Regardless that one is a public servant their first duty is to God, even if they don't believe in Him...
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 8:03:16 PM
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Reaching across the aisle means you realize that even though you may have won, you still have to work with the people who either ran or voted against you.
One of the first things Obama did in his acceptance speech was say that he would also be the president of those who did not get his vote and would listen to all sides.
During President Bush's first term he didn't even acknowledge that democrats existed and those that spoke up were immediately labeled as "aligning with terrorists". Even republican that would not rubber-stamp his policies soon found themselves out of a job. It was not until the democratic takeover in 2006 that Bush even realized there were democrats in the congress and that he would have to play nice with them if he wanted to get anything done during his second term. Is it any wonder that after 6 years of disdain and labeling that the democratic majority are enjoying their "gridlock" moment?
Ultra-conservatives seem to hate the concept of finding middle ground and compromise. They believe it should be their way or the highway. This may work well in a dictatorship or police state but doesn't really fly in a democracy.
Obama realizes that he has to govern from the middle if he hopes to get anything done during his administration. He already did some of this during his campaign when he warmed up to the idea of drilling and voting for the FISA bill. Despite what the far right may think, even Nancy Pelosi is more center than many think. I remember when she first became speaker of the house and many thought the first thing she would do is lead the charge to impeach President Bush. This hasn't happened now, had it.
One of the reasons McCain lost the election was that he lost his desire to reach across the aisle and do what is best for the country instead of what is right for his party (or in his case, for the religious right).
The "religious right"? Who or what might that be?
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 8:06:44 PM
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One of the first things Obama did in his acceptance speech was say that he would also be the president of those who did not get his vote and would listen to all sides.
As do all those elected...
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He already did some of this during his campaign when he warmed up to the idea of drilling and voting for the FISA bill.
Pandering...
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Despite what the far right may think, even Nancy Pelosi is more center than many think.
Ludicrous... I live in the North Bay Area... She's as left as any Kennedy...
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I remember when she first became speaker of the house and many thought the first thing she would do is lead the charge to impeach President Bush. This hasn't happened now, had it.
Many? Mostly the nut jobs in Berkley...
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 8:29:03 PM
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ORIGINAL: Evangel70
Ultra-conservatives seem to hate the concept of finding middle ground and compromise. They believe it should be their way or the highway. This may work well in a dictatorship or police state but doesn't really fly in a democracy.
Compromise is sometimes good. However if the issue involved is something the Word of God has a clear stance on, then to compromise is to give in to evil.
Knowing the difference is wisdom.
-Robb
Another extreme Bingo. I always appreciate your temperament and level headed approach, Robb.
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/5/2008 8:44:06 PM
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Doesn't anyone on this thread have the capacity to think that folks need to sit down together and look at each other like human beings, and treat each other accordingly?
What would you like to compromise on? Abortion? Gay marriage? The government taking over a major part of the gnp ( healthcare )? Scapegoating the rich? Causing a reccession?
The reason why conservatism has failed is because of compromise. Bush, both of them, have destroyed conservatism by going to the middle. Clinton's success if you can call it that, was because he had a republican congress and agreeing with them....he went to the right.
Going to the left is abhorant and not christian. I cannot support liberal policies biblically. A belief that supports killing babies because the mother CAN, is immoral and not worth supporting. Every other issues stems from this premise of do what you want to and when you mess up big daddy government will be there to pick you up.
Selling your personal integrity to the government is what God railed against in 1 Samuel 8: 10-22.
I cannot support the policies of liberalism as a christian. I....will not bash President Obama. I...will without a doubt fight against his policies.
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RE: What does reaching across the isle suppose to mean - 11/6/2008 7:50:15 AM
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How does one keep their "core" values while compromising them? Other than shelving them, or simply looking the other way? What core values can a Christian compromise? Regardless that one is a public servant their first duty is to God, even if they don't believe in Him...
That's easier than you are making it. Governing is McCain's job. Governing happens to be the job of some liberals. Governing happens to be the job of some christians. I have a job and I've worked since I was 17. As a christian it is my job to do my work as if unto the Lord and to do the best job that I possibly can while maintaining a good testimony as an ambassador of his Kingdom. I have worked currently and in the past with:
People who are unsaved. People who were child molesters. People who were drug dealers. People who were felons. People who were homosexuals. People who had abortions. People who were drunks and stoners. People who were brawlers. People who were thieves. People who hated working and did nothing. People who go out of there way to make more work for others because they don't care. People who lie and get others in trouble on the job. I'm sure by now you get the idea.
So if it is McCain's job to govern and he has to work with these same types of people how is it some sort of moral compromise and whatnot for him to do it? If one can't work with sinners because we may have to compromise something for that job we should praise God that the Dems are in power because none of us will work.
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