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Washington 2nd state to have assisted-suicide - 11/7/2008 2:06:11 PM
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Rockwall
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Wash moves to implement assisted suicide law Washington state officials have four months to set up a new voter-approved law allowing doctors to prescribe lethal medication to terminally ill patients. Washington is now the second state in the nation to have such a law, and officials may look to neighboring Oregon for a blueprint. The measure takes effect March 4. Officials at the attorney general's office and the state Department of Health said they have just started to go through the language of the measure, which passed Tuesday --- Under the new Washington law, any patient requesting fatal medication must be at least 18, declared competent and a resident of Washington state. The patient would have to make two oral requests, 15 days apart, and submit a written request witnessed by two people. One of the witnesses must not be a relative, heir, attending doctor, or connected with a health facility where the requester lives. Two doctors also would have to certify that the patient has a terminal condition and six months or less to live. Source LINK There are a few questions I have about this. First, let me preface this with I had a brother who lost his life due to Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma. I took him to the doctors on a daily basis and know how hard chemo and other drugs are on the body. I also had a brother who was big in the church in his community, loved by many, yet committed suicide. That said, even though it may be more "humane" to let someone commit suicide than let them suffer, would you support this if this bill came to your state? I don't think I would support euthanasia. The second question is can someone who commits suicide go to Heaven?
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RE: Washington 2nd state to have assisted-suicide - 11/7/2008 3:24:01 PM
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would you support this if this bill came to your state I live in Washington State and I did not vote for this. My problem has much more to do with the future than the bill itself. In my opinion this initiative is an initiative that will open up the door for major population control in the next 20-50 years. As Social security crumbles and we can't afford to help older people and as health care cost rises I can see using this as an avenue to control the population to control costs. Now it's optional, but who says it will have to stay that way? G
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RE: Washington 2nd state to have assisted-suicide - 11/7/2008 8:16:15 PM
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I just think it's a slap in the face to doctors. If someone gives up hope and chooses to take their life, I suppose that is their prerogative. But to have a doctor assist in suicide is a blatant violation of the Hippocratic oath. And oath or no oath, doctors spend their careers saving lives, not ending them. Personally, I don't think suicide is an unforgivable sin. And I can understand why some people may prefer it to a long, drawn out death. But to involve a doctor....it's just sick. If I were a doctor, I would be personally offended by that law.
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RE: Washington 2nd state to have assisted-suicide - 11/8/2008 7:51:04 PM
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bravjim
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This is a means to legalize it, yet what kind ramifications would one suffer by just downing a bottle of sleeping pills once they begin to suffer. To put something like this into law is pretty scary. A little over a week ago, I put my dog down, and that was incredibly difficult and I still feel pretty guilty for it. There is a constant argument in my mind and heart about it being too soon. The memory absolutely breaks my heart. Now could you imagine how a relative or doctor might feel about being involved in this? I just could not imagine.
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RE: Washington 2nd state to have assisted-suicide - 11/11/2008 5:45:08 PM
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Rockwall
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I am a little surprised that more posters are not against this considering how hot an abortion topic gets. Is it because as adults these people have a right to die with dignity (the euthanasia laws have been called "death with dignity" laws)? I remember Dr. Death Jack Kevorkian caused outrage and was sent to prison for doctor-assisted suicide, but I guess times have changed. I did read that some doctors and hospitals have stated they will refuse assisted-suicide requests.
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RE: Washington 2nd state to have assisted-suicide - 11/11/2008 7:22:58 PM
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GregandJenny
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There is a big difference here rockwall. The baby doesn't get to chose. The older person does. it still makes me sick though. G
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RE: Washington 2nd state to have assisted-suicide - 11/11/2008 8:38:05 PM
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Suicide is something that can be successfully accomplished without the state legalizing it. A 32 cal. bullet in the head is quite effective. So is a running automobile in a closed garage. Both can be relatively quick and painless and neither one requires assistance from a doctor or the state. The real problem comes when the state becomes involved. For example, drugs required for assisted suicide are quite inexpensive compared with chemotherapy. In cases where a cancer patient is declared "inviable" even if the patient wants chemo to gain another 3 - 6 months of life the state can simply refuse coverage for the chemo and offer assisted suicide as the only "viable" option. This has been done in Oregon. Please notice the word "viable". This is the same word used by President-elect Obama when he so elequently argued against the act which would provide treatment for abortion surviviors in the state of Illinois. Modern politicians use that word more and more to justify what our society would have once considered unthinkable.
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RE: Washington 2nd state to have assisted-suicide - 11/11/2008 9:09:30 PM
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ORIGINAL: JStucki76 I just think it's a slap in the face to doctors. If someone gives up hope and chooses to take their life, I suppose that is their prerogative. But to have a doctor assist in suicide is a blatant violation of the Hippocratic oath. And oath or no oath, doctors spend their careers saving lives, not ending them. Personally, I don't think suicide is an unforgivable sin. And I can understand why some people may prefer it to a long, drawn out death. But to involve a doctor....it's just sick. If I were a doctor, I would be personally offended by that law. Are Doctors allowed to opt-out of this system?
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RE: Washington 2nd state to have assisted-suicide - 11/11/2008 9:51:21 PM
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i believe they can opt out.
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RE: Washington 2nd state to have assisted-suicide - 11/11/2008 10:00:17 PM
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ORIGINAL: GregandJenny i believe they can opt out. Maybe... but probably not without consequences. Such as medicaid participation, etc.
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RE: Washington 2nd state to have assisted-suicide - 11/11/2008 10:34:10 PM
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Rockwall
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ORIGINAL: Dubya Suicide is something that can be successfully accomplished without the state legalizing it. A 32 cal. bullet in the head is quite effective. So is a running automobile in a closed garage. Both can be relatively quick and painless and neither one requires assistance from a doctor or the state. The real problem comes when the state becomes involved. For example, drugs required for assisted suicide are quite inexpensive compared with chemotherapy. In cases where a cancer patient is declared "inviable" even if the patient wants chemo to gain another 3 - 6 months of life the state can simply refuse coverage for the chemo and offer assisted suicide as the only "viable" option. This has been done in Oregon. Please notice the word "viable". This is the same word used by President-elect Obama when he so elequently argued against the act which would provide treatment for abortion surviviors in the state of Illinois. Modern politicians use that word more and more to justify what our society would have once considered unthinkable. I know I shouldn't laugh at about this subject, but you are blunt and to the point. I know what you mean by the word viable. When and after my wife was pregnant, she had gestational diabetes. She wouldn't have been considered "viable" because she couldn't live without medical assistance (in her case insulin shots).
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