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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/14/2008 2:33:29 PM
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ekserekseez
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Who cares how someone prays? If you don't like a prayer, don't listen to it.
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/14/2008 2:43:35 PM
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Dubya
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A lot of pastors (and others) who believe they can somehow coerce God into doing what they want or give them what they want. Although I have not personally heard any, I am quite sure there are others trying to coerce God to ensure that Obama wins the election.
Bottom line is, God is sovereign and He is in control - no matter who wins this (or any) election.
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/14/2008 2:48:47 PM
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blue1914
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The prayer aside, what I think is pretty interesting are the comments below the article. Whatever the pastor's intention with the prayer, those who are commenting are showing their true colors. That is what is dismaying to me-so many people will get their picture of Christianity through sound bytes like these and feel they have adequate cause to reject Christ as a result of it.
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/14/2008 2:51:25 PM
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I'm not sure it was necessarily wrong, but it certainly is misinformed. It seems to suggest that McCain is the only viable option for Christians, and that any non-Christian will automatically support Obama. I am certainly no Obama fan (anymore than I am a McCain fan), but I respect my brothers' and sisters' right to vote for whomever they choose.
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/14/2008 2:52:16 PM
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JimboFletch
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What simpletons. The man said nothing about Obama's God or his supporters.
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God is sovereign and He is in control - no matter who wins this (or any) election.
SPOT ON!
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/14/2008 2:55:31 PM
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JimboFletch
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....feel they have adequate cause to reject Christ as a result of it.
No disrespect, but the Bible teaches that it is the Holy Spirit through the telling of the Gospel that people are convicted of sin and are saved - not through grand prayers or great oratory.
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/14/2008 2:59:13 PM
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adelphi_sky
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I think the pastor was wrong in his attempts to put God in a corner. As if somehow if his prayer wasn't answered, God's reputation would be smeared. Huh? The nerve of some people. :-) What happened to "Thy will be done?"
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/14/2008 3:13:22 PM
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I think the prayer was a bit ill advised.
I also do not believe for a minute that Barack Obama is a Christian....
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/14/2008 3:24:36 PM
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rcjames
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The man prayed for God's hand to be on the Election; I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/14/2008 3:45:40 PM
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Dubya
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The man prayed for God's hand to be on the Election; I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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If that was all he prayed I would agree with you, RC. But the pastor linked God's reputation to the election of John McCain... Now, to be sure, I support John McCain completely but God's reputation is so much greater than that. Don't you think God, in His sovereignty, could give us something or someone we don't want? I know, in my case, he has certainly done just that. Yet, God reigns supreme, despite my disappoitnment.
Don't get me wrong, I certainly pray for John McCain's victory. But- not my will but His will be done.
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/14/2008 4:46:27 PM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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WHEN i heard & saw the clip, i kinda chuckled as i remembered thats how someone in the Old Testament prayed... Moses I belive it was, when God was so mad He was going to destroy the idolatrous Israelites and make a nation out of Moses, but Moses stood in the gap and did a similar prayer. I thought wow thats a new twist on this whole thing.
But i think it would be more appropriate to say to God "Thy will be done".
nevertheless, that prayer DID NOT back God into a corner, as God is sovereign and He will do what He will do inspite of our prayers whether they be good or bad prayers.
God is never backed into a corner, neither does his reputation suffer, EVER. We dont have that much power to do that to God.
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/14/2008 4:48:27 PM
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I also do not believe for a minute that Barack Obama is a Christian....
Me neither...
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/14/2008 4:54:08 PM
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The man prayed for God's hand to be on the Election; I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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If that was all he prayed I would agree with you, RC. But the pastor linked God's reputation to the election of John McCain... Now, to be sure, I support John McCain completely but God's reputation is so much greater than that. Don't you think God, in His sovereignty, could give us something or someone we don't want? I know, in my case, he has certainly done just that. Yet, God reigns supreme, despite my disappointment.
Don't get me wrong, I certainly pray for John McCain's victory. But- not my will but His will be done.
I am pretty sure we can ASK God for anything ... as our Father He can say yes or no, when we are not in His will, He most likely says no.  I don't have a problem with it from this perspective. The problem lies in our perception of the prayer and the ensuing arguments.
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/14/2008 4:56:23 PM
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adelphi_sky
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I also do not believe for a minute that Barack Obama is a Christian....
Me neither...
There's a thread for that. More than one I'm sure. 
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/14/2008 5:44:01 PM
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stampinlady
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But- not my will but His will be done.
Amen. This man obviously doesn't think God is the one in control, imo.
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/14/2008 9:37:25 PM
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TaoPoohBear
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I also do not believe for a minute that Barack Obama is a Christian....
Me neither...
Tell the magazine to publish your rebuttal.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/januaryweb-only/104-32.0.html
Of course, you do run the risk of the accuser being the accused.
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/14/2008 9:58:47 PM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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I also do not believe for a minute that Barack Obama is a Christian....
Me neither...
That is just it! people are calling him christian and saying "why dont he act like it?" coz he is not! he might use the christian label, but its what you are that counts.
I really dont know which theological category to place him.
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/15/2008 12:01:58 AM
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Has Mccain said something that proves he's a Christian? Honestly, I could never be a politician because I'd surely offend lots of people because of my faith. I believe that no politician is able to be devoted to proclaiming the good news and hold an office at the same time. I could be wrong, but I tend to think that way. However, I remember when Mccain and Obama spoke at Rick Warren's faith forum debate. I don't have the transcript but I recall that I felt Obama stressed personal relationship with God and accountability and things of the like. All, in my opinon, tend to be indicators of someone who understands that God is real. Mccain gave me no such indication. I wouldn't vouch for either one of them- just what I noticed. Obama's words didn't give me the impression that he feels Christ is the one and only way.
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/15/2008 9:49:05 AM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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Has Mccain said something that proves he's a Christian? Honestly, I could never be a politician because I'd surely offend lots of people because of my faith. I believe that no politician is able to be devoted to proclaiming the good news and hold an office at the same time. I could be wrong, but I tend to think that way. However, I remember when Mccain and Obama spoke at Rick Warren's faith forum debate. I don't have the transcript but I recall that I felt Obama stressed personal relationship with God and accountability and things of the like. All, in my opinon, tend to be indicators of someone who understands that God is real. Mccain gave me no such indication. I wouldn't vouch for either one of them- just what I noticed. Obama's words didn't give me the impression that he feels Christ is the one and only way.
Matthew 7:21 - "many will say unto me Lord Lord"..... and I will say depart from Me I never knew you, ye that work iniquity (lawlessness)" Jesus said that.
If Obama were a dedicated follower of the bible, he would have different opinions than some that he has been espousing. he might be a religious type person, but not a born again Christian - the kind that will get into heaven. Not judging ,, but checking his FRUITS by which we will know them, said Jesus.
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/15/2008 10:47:33 AM
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adelphi_sky
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ORIGINAL: TheresaCampbell
Has Mccain said something that proves he's a Christian? Honestly, I could never be a politician because I'd surely offend lots of people because of my faith. I believe that no politician is able to be devoted to proclaiming the good news and hold an office at the same time. I could be wrong, but I tend to think that way. However, I remember when Mccain and Obama spoke at Rick Warren's faith forum debate. I don't have the transcript but I recall that I felt Obama stressed personal relationship with God and accountability and things of the like. All, in my opinon, tend to be indicators of someone who understands that God is real. Mccain gave me no such indication. I wouldn't vouch for either one of them- just what I noticed. Obama's words didn't give me the impression that he feels Christ is the one and only way.
Matthew 7:21 - "many will say unto me Lord Lord"..... and I will say depart from Me I never knew you, ye that work iniquity (lawlessness)" Jesus said that.
If Obama were a dedicated follower of the bible, he would have different opinions than some that he has been espousing. he might be a religious type person, but not a born again Christian - the kind that will get into heaven. Not judging ,, but checking his FRUITS by which we will know them, said Jesus.
I would argue that neither of us have seen enough fruits of either candidate to conclude who's saved and who isn't. Besides, we each have our own standards of who we think is saved. We'd like to think we all agree on these same fruits, but deep down, they are different. One example is the fact that some Christians raise the tongues issue.
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/15/2008 10:51:38 AM
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blue1914
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....feel they have adequate cause to reject Christ as a result of it.
No disrespect, but the Bible teaches that it is the Holy Spirit through the telling of the Gospel that people are convicted of sin and are saved - not through grand prayers or great oratory.
I do agree with you-the Holy Spirit WORKING through the salt and light of the earth - the Christian. Your point is not lost-if the Holy Spirit is drawing someone, they will be drawn regardless of what is said or done, I get that.
I guess I just wonder-how many times do we quench the work of the Spirit by our arrogance?
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/15/2008 10:53:39 AM
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The key to judge fruits is the Bible not what we think. 0bama has a brother living in abject poverty that with a little bit of financial assistance he could have helped him have a better life. The McCain's adopted a sick baby and paid all expenses for another equally sick baby so that their friends could adopt her. Both babies were of another race. That's one example of fruit that can be examined.
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RE: Was this pastor right in how he prayed? - 10/15/2008 10:57:22 AM
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I just saw this the other day and thought how wrong his prayer was.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/10/11/pastor-delivers-odd-invocation-at-mccain-rally/
What do you think?
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I just saw this the other day and thought how wrong his prayer was
I don’t know I don’t hear anything...
I generally don’t hear the word of God through secular mind sets in writing,
Do you have a video?
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