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True love - 10/16/2008 10:09:55 PM
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Godhead
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Saul and David finished their conversation. After that, Saul's son Jonathan was deeply attracted to David and came to love him as much as he loved himself. (1Sa 18:1)
Jonathan swore eternal friendship with David because of his deep affection for him. (1Sa 18:3)
Jonathan said, "I'll do anything you want." (1Sa 20:4)
Once again Jonathan made David promise to love him, for Jonathan loved David as much as he loved himself. (1Sa 20:17)
"I grieve for you, my brother Jonathan; how dear you were to me! How wonderful was your love for me, better even than the love of women.
(2Sa 1:26)
Ah the love that Jonathan had for David. I never could understand how one man could ever love another man like that when I had first read those verses. I could have never conceived it possible, no not until I met the Son of God. Jonathan's love for David depicts our love for Jesus. If I met Jesus in person, I would kiss the soles of His feet and worship Him. Jonathan's love for David, was not of a sexual kind, which is not really love at all, but his love was one of worship and adoration. One of devotion and loyalty. If any man deserves such love from us it is the Son of God, who loved us and gave His life for us. Jonathan loved David, let us love the Son of David, and thus know what true love is really all about.
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RE: True love - 10/16/2008 10:23:24 PM
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jn1010lf
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Hello Godhead
I applaud your interpretation of the relationship between Jonathan and David. Have you also considered this? God's plan was for Jesus (the man) to descend from David's blood line. I see the Lord as building Jonathan's love for David as a protector to make sure Saul did not murder him.
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RE: True love - 10/23/2008 1:25:37 AM
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I have two real close Men friends who are closer to me than my own brother. They were both with me the night my wife died and are still there when I need a word of encouragement to carry on. I can relate the scripture verses to these Men of God. I have done mission work in Mexico with one man and worked mens spritual retreats with the other.
The older of the two lost his wife several years ago and has since remairried and is praying that I might find someone as well. The other man who is a little younger that me his wife has post-polio syndrome that will limit her life expectations so it will be my turn to buck him up one day.
As Christian Men we can't stand the trials alone but as a band of Brothers we can. It can bring another meaning to the word love your fellow man.
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RE: True love - 10/23/2008 12:22:20 PM
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When reading passages with love, you have to read it in context to discern which type of love... storge, eros, philia, agape.
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RE: True love - 11/11/2008 10:51:14 AM
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Big subject, guys. Big for men and women, girls and boys, and couples and widows, and... .
I've wondered who thought 'I'll just describe that love as being true." I mean, there's not much talk about false love. Or love that was there, but it was fake. Maybe someone could say it was there for a season, or there when it needed to be.
Is that what differentiates between love and true love? Can there be the truest love? The most false love? I don't understand the adjective true there... especially when today's translation of love likely tramples the four types APZR mentioned. Is 'true' and 'the love of my life' and such- do those fit in to how the Greeks, Hebrews, and the earliest writers of the books of the Bible saw them?
Not to pick on the subject line, and this is good talk here. To answer just one question, is there a difference between love, and true love? Maybe in the Bible it was thought of as the greatest love... that being one that would make the love known for everyone else someone knew to be considered as hatred- as it would be so much less than for Christ.
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RE: True love - 11/13/2008 9:55:02 PM
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jn1010lf
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Hello Godhead
Have you ever thought of this possibility in regards to David and Jonathan. Jonathan knew that David was supposed to live becuase his blood line included Jesus, the man that the Messiah dwelled in for a time. So, Jonathon's love was supernatural, from God Himself.
Incidently, I don't believe that these two had any kind of a romantic or sexual relationship at all. Scripture says that their souls were one. Adam and Eve became one flesh in addition to their souls being melded together. One flesh means sex.
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RE: True love - 11/14/2008 8:59:57 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: APZR
When reading passages with love, you have to read it in context to discern which type of love... storge, eros, philia, agape. ACTUALLY, you have to look at the original Hebrew text for which type of love: ahava (Strongs 157), dod (strongs 1730), or rayah (strongs 7474).
In this case it is Ahava אהב which is the most common word for love in the OT.
A primitive root; to have affection for (sexually or otherwise): - (be-) love (-d, -ly, -r), like, friend.
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RE: True love - 11/15/2008 1:21:36 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: DaveW
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ORIGINAL: APZR
When reading passages with love, you have to read it in context to discern which type of love... storge, eros, philia, agape.
ACTUALLY, you have to look at the original Hebrew text for which type of love: ahava (Strongs 157), dod (strongs 1730), or rayah (strongs 7474).
In this case it is Ahava àäá which is the most common word for love in the OT.
A primitive root; to have affection for (sexually or otherwise): - (be-) love (-d, -ly, -r), like, friend.
This would also depend on whether what you were reading was written in an earlier language. So, today's Hebrew writers have a definite edge when it comes to writing what they mean about love... is that what you are saying? And today's writings about love are a mess unless they are somehow linked back to Biblical writings?
That's what I was considering earlier, because today there is love, and there is true love, and there is sisterly/brotherly or parental love- yet when does love go from itself to true love? Is true love the equal to Ahava in your opinion?
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RE: True love - 11/17/2008 10:36:15 AM
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I have given the Strongs definition of Ahava. It would seem from the usage of the word that it encompasses nearly as much as the English "love." It appears over 200 times. The first usage was to describe Abraham loving his son Isaac. It also describes how Jacob felt about Rachel and how we are to love God.
Deu 6:5 "You shall love (Ahava) the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.
Sounds like true love to me.
Edited to add: in the verse above, it is a version of ahava (love) that means "And you shall love..." v'ahavta.
< Message edited by DaveW -- 11/18/2008 7:55:06 AM >
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