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RE: The smell of death brings life - 10/29/2008 9:37:01 AM
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henny
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If you take a strict reading of Genesis, however, it's even less plausible that God created it as death did not exist until after the fall. Thus, God could not have created a plant that imitates its smell while man was still in Eden. If this were the case death would be imitating the plant, as oppossed to the plant mimicking death.
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RE: The smell of death brings life - 10/29/2008 12:24:27 PM
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Here is what I would perceive as being an excellent proof of intelligent design. Here we have the carcass plant or flower. Its large flower only opens once every four years, and it emits a stench that smells like death. Hence the name. The smell is to attracts flies, and other insects for the purpose of pollination. Now how does a plant evolve to emit the stench of death? The smell of death is not instinctual, but a result of a rotting carcass, being consumed by micro-organisms. So how on earth could a flower adapt that smell? A plant could not possibly acquire such a thing by adapting to the environment, or random mutations, or whatever. Its a living plant that emits the smell of death. It imitates the smell of rotting meat. Not the kind of flower you would want to give your wife or girlfriend. Might be better for funerals. 
Over a few million years the evolutionary precursor to this plant produced millions of offspring with genetic disorders. Most of these offspring were competitively unsuccessful. One or more of the genetically defective offspring produced a smell that was similar to rotten meat. This attracted an entirely new set of pollinators of a type that preferred the rotten meat smell. These pollinators only visited the plants wit the rotten meat smell causing this specific genetic defect to propagate more rapidly then it's precursor crowding it out.
Voilà - evolution at work
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RE: The smell of death brings life - 10/29/2008 1:37:25 PM
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Over a few million years the evolutionary precursor to this plant produced millions of offspring with genetic disorders. Most of these offspring were competitively unsuccessful. One or more of the genetically defective offspring produced a smell that was similar to rotten meat. This attracted an entirely new set of pollinators of a type that preferred the rotten meat smell. These pollinators only visited the plants wit the rotten meat smell causing this specific genetic defect to propagate more rapidly then it's precursor crowding it out.
Voilà - evolution at work
Actually, that is a really bad description of evolution; what evidence is there that anything in the genetics of Amorphophallus titanum is a 'genetic disorder'?
Indeed, as someone who majored in biology, I never heard any biologist suggest that evolution advances by means of 'genetic disorders'.
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RE: The smell of death brings life - 10/31/2008 3:04:43 PM
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DanJames
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ORIGINAL: henny
If you take a strict reading of Genesis, however, it's even less plausible that God created it as death did not exist until after the fall. Thus, God could not have created a plant that imitates its smell while man was still in Eden. If this were the case death would be imitating the plant, as oppossed to the plant mimicking death.
Now that is an interesting question. This flower does pose a conundrum for those who believe that carrion was never supposed to exist at all. I could believe that flies would secondarily become attracted to carrion in order to reproduce, but why in the world would this flower attract flies with an instinct that they never should have had? The flower has all kinds of things about it that make it dead-animal-ish besides the smell. The color, the hairs. The flower is a giant fly trap through and through. No wonder it didn't survive anywhere else. No person would want to live within a hundred miles of the thing. I had heard of this flower before, and it never occurred to me that I have no explanation for its existence.
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RE: The smell of death brings life - 10/31/2008 4:40:27 PM
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Jhud
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By the way, I saw one of these at the Como Conservatory in Minneapolis; there is nothing that smells worse; a reporter actually got sick in the corner.
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RE: The smell of death brings life - 11/3/2008 5:03:46 PM
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Might depend on if we were created with a fail-safe switch.
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RE: The smell of death brings life - 11/20/2008 9:35:39 PM
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Over a few million years the evolutionary precursor to this plant produced millions of offspring with genetic disorders. Most of these offspring were competitively unsuccessful. One or more of the genetically defective offspring produced a smell that was similar to rotten meat. This attracted an entirely new set of pollinators of a type that preferred the rotten meat smell. These pollinators only visited the plants wit the rotten meat smell causing this specific genetic defect to propagate more rapidly then it's precursor crowding it out.
Voilà - evolution at work
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. (John 3:19-21)
The power of Science is not in fact or evidence, but its power is in the unbelief of mankind. Science offers an explanation (not proof) that excludes God, and so therein their theories, no matter how fanciful are embraced by the unbelieving public with open arms. The fact of the matter is that people do not want to know the truth, but be told that there is no God, and so its okay to do whatever you want. See how a message like that would become very popular and unchallenged, by even the most astounding facts. I had a discussion with a fellow, about the evidence that the world is young. He just stuck his figures in his ears and said, “I’m not listening.” That’s what the whole world is doing, sticking their figures in their ears and saying, “We are not listening.” They will only listen and accept whatever will not confront their sins and listen to whatever ideology will tell them that its okay to sin. Jesus came the first time to save the world, He is coming the second time to judge it. Make no mistake about it, you are already judged if you have not believed in the only begotten Son of God.
Evolutionists believe that fossils are evidence of the millions of years it took for life to evolve into what it is today. Christians say that fossils are evidence of God’s righteous judgment upon the ancient world, being the result of a world wide flood. Fossils can be found within the different layers of sediment covering the earth which is consistent with a world wide flood. Evolutionists say that these layers represent the different stages of evolution, but that evidence is not consistent. Some layers have little fossil remains while others have many fossil remains. This would be consistent with a world wide flood, for it would depend on the population of species in any given area and how they came to rest within the sediment. As a result you would have the inconsistent numbers we see today. Also these inconsistent numbers contradict the theory of evolution, for it would suggest that evolution, which would be a natural process that takes a very long time, went into hyperdrive every now and then. So the evidence is for a flood and against evolution, but the only argument that evolutionist have to support their theory is, “Well the alternative is impossible.” People believe in evolution even though the evidence is against the possibility, simply because they refuse to accept God’s existence, and sovereign rule in their lives. They want to be free to do whatever they want to do and evolution gives them that. So the theory of evolution has its power, not in the evidence at hand, but in the wickedness of mankind, who wan to remain in darkness, for fear that their deeds be exposed. Anyone who supports evolution, hates the light, and will not come to the light that they may be saved. Anyone who thinks that Christianity can integrate the theory of evolution with creation should heed the Apostles word. What communion hath light with darkness? (2 Corinthians 6:14)
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RE: The smell of death brings life - 12/2/2008 8:07:09 PM
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SavedToo
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stench of death?
This is an opinion.
< Message edited by SavedToo -- 12/3/2008 4:36:42 AM >
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RE: The smell of death brings life - 12/3/2008 12:25:50 AM
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whisperingwaters
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That is a beatuiful flower and also quite large.
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RE: The smell of death brings life - 12/3/2008 8:24:57 PM
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DanJames
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ORIGINAL: SavedToo
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stench of death?
This is an opinion.
Qualitative, yes. But not necessarily an opinion. The flower does actually mimic carrion.
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