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Self-injury - 11/27/2008 1:33:14 AM
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lachrimyformTruth
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Now let's see who is brave enough to discuss.
What is the problem and real sin(s) behind self-injury? biblical references preferred with answer
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RE: Self-injury - 11/27/2008 7:41:02 AM
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RE: Self-injury - 11/28/2008 5:36:49 PM
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1 Corinthians 6
19.Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
20.you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
i think this is self-explanitory enough.
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RE: Self-injury - 11/30/2008 10:23:34 PM
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It delves much deeper than simply the injury. You need to ask yourself Why? What is going through your mind at that point that makes you want to injure yourself? There must be doubt in your mind that anyone loves you and cares for you, right? Therefore you are doubting that God loves you...and He died for you!
I can't remember the reference or where it is at all but I remember hearing something like 'honour God by honouring yourself'. If you don't love yourself you will find it extremely difficult to accept the love of someone else.
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RE: Self-injury - 12/1/2008 11:18:16 PM
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i think its a few reasons. depending upon the person, of course. and, i am saying this, as someone who used to cut. first, i think it shows their lack of respect for themselves, which can be for many reasons. but also, a big part of it i think is that it has become so popular. its no longer looked upon as shameful as much anymore. when some friends found out i was cutting, suprisingly enough one helped me cover it up and told me how she covers up her scars, also what they use that help them get the best results and make it easier. this is not a shameful thing anymore, its so common, its became accepted. it has sort of made it clear that if you are sad or depressed, you're supposed to cut yourself. also, in the bible it talked about men that were demon possessed and they sat around and cut themselves. its a demonic spirit of cutting. its not just a small thing, its suicidal. many people try to overlook it and not think about it, but really, has anyone ever stopped to talk to kids today in school?? so many are depressed, and more than half of my friends at public school cut themselves. no, they aren't just "emo" kids. i knew kids from different sort of "cliques". all one thing in common, they're hurting, they're desperate, and they dont realize that it can all be helped without a razor blade, that they need God.
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RE: Self-injury - 12/4/2008 6:24:49 PM
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I also once was a cutter, and I was never an "emo." My problem was extreme anger, even hatred. When something happened that made me angry, I wanted blood, I wanted death, and by golly I was going to have it. Rather than taking it out on the person that had made me angry, I would take it out on myself. I would probably still be cutting myself right now, but once I cut myself so brutally that I could not stop the bleeding, so I obviously got caught.
So now, rather than sharpening a knife when I am angry, I find more positive things to do, such as working out, headbanging with heavy music, and always prayer. If God be for us, who can be against us? Always pray. It is the best thing to do.
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RE: Self-injury - 12/7/2008 2:48:21 AM
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Okay. i think cutting is ridiculous. i use to, and all it does is cause more problems. i still have problems to not do it. its an addiction just like any other, because it is a sin just like any other. i dont remember the biblical references at this moment, but if i do. i will post them. but it allways seems (doesnt mean always is, so please dont take this wrong) is a cry for attention, now. so many kids do it, younger and younger to be "cool" and to "fit in". my little cousin is in the sixth grade, which is generally eleven years old, and she was telling me on thanksgiving. how there is this girl that is emo, and the girl says she is emo cause she cuts herself. and its not just "emo" kids doing it. blah. self injury really upsets me, with so many things that have happen to friends that i know because of this "trend" that is a sin, so i think i should leave it what i have said.
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RE: Self-injury - 12/7/2008 4:05:38 PM
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we are, just as much as they are. and if one sin could be worse then another (excluding blasphemy) then i think if some one were to know of someone cutting, and you dont help. your sin would be worse.
but then the question is, how do you help?
some people you can't just go tell there parents, it only makes it worse.
you cant sign them up for anger managment or counseling.
i'm not going to go into what i think about praying, cause it will just cause problems.
hmm... this is coming out wrong.
i'm not saying you cant help them, or that it's impossible.
i guess i'm asking, how do you go about helping them?
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RE: Self-injury - 12/8/2008 4:28:00 PM
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By giving them my time. It is said that actions speak louder than words. If so what would a hug say?
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RE: Self-injury - 12/8/2008 4:31:44 PM
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thats true. and would work for some. but everyone is different.
and the internal scars are what causes it, and a hug from a friend.
isn't always whats needed. though it does help to know someone cares about you.
blah.i should stop with this thread.
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RE: Self-injury - 12/8/2008 5:37:38 PM
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No perhaps not, however your actions will determine the response/reactions of the person.
If someone is considering suicide what would be best? To take away the things that he/she could use? Or be there for them?
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RE: Self-injury - 12/10/2008 2:47:43 AM
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okay. i lied.
but.
with a personal experience i have had, you can be there for someone allll you want. and do everything in your power to make it better. and they will find a way to do it, if that is what they truly want. i'm not saying helping them is impossible, i dont believe in that word. but. its more then just showing them love and being there for them in some situations.
the write to love oh her arms movement , has not been mentioned. if you've never read about it, you should.
here's the link check it out.
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RE: Self-injury - 12/13/2008 1:06:03 PM
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I thought once my life was worthless, as I was working the night shift barely saw my parents or brothers. Let alone seeing my friends, I was on another "christian forum" searching for what people know as hope. Out of everyone there, the mods and admin were at times cutting and biting, other things that had no place to be said was said by both sides. At one point I even said that God is no longer here. Though they apologized for it, it still hurt. Reading the news, headlines, looking down on everything I did have.
Part of me wanted to take my rifle and put a round through my head at one point. Another part of me wanted to show the world their own blindness, at the cost of my life, by wounding hundreds of people, taking my rifles, pistols and putting a round through their legs. I was at an all time low, when driving to work I would be thinking about throw the vehicle into a high speed and ramming a eighteen wheeler. Anything that would bring peace to my soul.
I met a girl who began trying to help me, she was doing her best. When I planned to commit suicide or rather mass homicide on the 25th She pleaded with me to hold off, if not for anything else for her. I agreed.
Thus the reason for the story I wrote one night That I've named burning soul.
Burning Soul
Set on fire, burning yet I am not consumed. I traveling the path of darkness, I cannot see whats in front of me, walking i stumble upon the objects in the floor. I struggle forward, taking hold of something, I quickly with draw my hand blood steaming from the open wound. Placing my hand on the ground I push trying to stand. Something rushes by slashing my leg, once again I collapse on the ground, bleeding I wrap the wounds as best as I can. trying to stand once more a hand grabs my shoulder helping to my feet. Turning I find that whoever it was is gone. I stumble forward once again tripping and fall, pain shoot up my leg reminding me of my pain.
Feeling a breeze I reach up feeling the tear in my shirt, pulling my hand away I find that it also is now covered in blood. Bruised and bloody I wonder if I'm ready. I hear a sound from behind me sub-consciously I step to the side but to no avail, I am once again brought to my knees, I think to myself "If I cannot stand to walk, then I shall crawl on my hands and knees". I crawl forward cutting and tearing my skin upon these objects that I cannot see. I hear the sound of rushing feet, I turn to see what it is, I see a man running, no flying carrying a torch. That burns like that of the sun, or a star. I realize in despair that he is not going to stop, flying on by me without looking back.
Looking down I see the objects that have been cutting my hands, Are not that of sharp rocks, blades or that of glass, but instead that of fingernails desperately grasping try to rise above what I am walking on. A hand grabs my leg, reaching down I take their hand and pull them up, in the process I to sink into the masses below. As the Person rises he also helps me back up. He offers his thanks, and we part ways, leaving me behind looking at him as his figure fades.
Turning I see the people striving to rise above what they have fought for so long. I once again reach down, Taking hold as hands tear at me, pulling me down, ripping the flesh from my body. Blood running from my wounds, my screams of pain become muffled from the hands the grasp at my body to pull themselves higher. A nightmare, perhaps worse, the yells for help, screams, fighting, swearing, and chatter. I stand there forgotten, left bleeding, dying and I still have no clue what for.
Darkness, nothing but darkness, I stood barely being able to see a thing, let alone my hand. The pain, the throbbing pain, looking at my arm I see my bone. Sighing I sag to my knees, as tears begin to falls. Hitting the ground like that of bullets, the sound echoing through the silence. I hold my head in my hands, letting the tears find their way down my face. I faintly hear the screams and calls again looking up, I see them pulling yet another down into the mass.
I hear the words "You alright?" I sit there watching the mass. Gentle hands took my arm as I was watched the mass. Snapping the arm back in place, pain screaming up my arm. Looking down I watch as she wraps my arm in a splint. The footsteps seem to fade in the distance behind me. I stand wincing as pain shoots up my swollen foot. I limp forward into the darkness. The crunch of my shoes upon the gravel was the only sound besides that of my heart beating faintly. Walking through the darkness, seemingly on my own. The whistling of a rock flying through the air, caught my attention, before I could move it hit my foot with a resounding crack. I collapse to the ground once more, tired, exhausted, and wishing to simply give up.
I lay there on my back, mulling over everything in life, wondering if it is worth it? should I continue? Closing my eyes I wish to simply fade into nothing, forgotten as if nothing ever was. The faint crunch of gravel is like of a drum beat summoning me from my nightmare. Hearing the footsteps near I turn. Suddenly everything does fade, turning into a blazing white, a blinding white. I suddenly realize the reason for me being here, was behind me the whole time...........
The reason was you.
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RE: Self-injury - 12/29/2008 3:09:08 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: jesusfreak94
its a demonic spirit of cutting. its not just a small thing, its suicidal.
I must heartily disagree. Cutting isn't demonic, or caused/influenced by some outside force. People stumble, people fall, and people break. There is no need to drag in supernatural explanations for such things.
Cutting is not equal to suicide, nor to suicidal tendencies. The act of cutting releases endorphins in the brain. The release of endorphins is what causes happiness.
For someone who has lost the ability to feel happiness through other means, or who is simply dissatisfied with life, cutting becomes a release where a bit of happiness seeps through via the forced release of endorphins.
The searching for this release through cutting is not indicative of a desire to kill oneself.
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RE: Self-injury - 12/30/2008 9:56:32 AM
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Mark 5:2-5
When Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an evil spirit came from the tombs to meet him. This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind him any more, not even with a chain. For he had often been chained hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. Night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones
a man with an evil spirit was cutting himself. i think that makes it plain right there. and many times cutting is a suicidal sign. if your that depressed that you have to cut yourself to "release endorphins" to be happy,something is wrong. its not normal and its not okay. you shouldn't cut yourself to make yourself feel better. there is no way thats normal. i am not trying to start a fight here, but God. how could you even think thats okay??
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
God makes it clear. cutting yourself is not okay. and its never in anyway going to be okay.
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