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Self-Esteem - 11/13/2008 3:23:17 PM
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Child4Jesus
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Don't exactly what is wrong about it but I find something off about the Self Esteem push.
Self-Esteem: 1 : a confidence and satisfaction in oneself : self-respect 2 : self-conceit
Self-Image: one's conception of oneself or of one's role
Self-Respect: 1 : a proper respect for oneself as a human being 2 : regard for one's own standing or position
Self-Conceit : an exaggerated opinion of one's own qualities or abilities : vanity
Vanity: 1: something that is vain, empty, or valueless 2: the quality or fact of being vain 3: inflated pride in oneself or one's appearance : conceit
From what I see in scripture we are called to die to self, be humble and live in contentment.
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RE: Self-Esteem - 11/15/2008 2:23:43 PM
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leonfigg3
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I am nnot quite sure what kind of discussion you are looking for, but I am game. I also need a break from Current Events.
If you are addressing the push by society, of late, to protect a child's self esteem, I would say that in many ways it is misguided. We humans, especially us men, are made to face challenge and risk being hurt either emotionally or physically in any number of ways. Challenges help us grow.
I believe that self esteem and self image are very much intertwined and is greatly affected by our early home life, and family.
One who has a low self esteem could also have a false sense of humility. Believing that it is perfectly al right for one to have a low selfoesteem, or a low self-image, as I have discovered, could also be very prideful, and vain.
I hope what I have said could get this conversation started.
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RE: Self-Esteem - 11/15/2008 3:11:04 PM
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MrFribbles
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It would help if you could give specific examples of the "Self Esteem push."
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RE: Self-Esteem - 11/16/2008 12:54:48 AM
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solo_soprano22
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I think the problem is, many times, people don't think they're worth anything. It doesn't mean they have to be overly proud or anything like that, but in God's eyes, we're priceless.
For example, I know women who will date any man regardless of how badly they treat them. I know of women who are beaten regularly and still stay... Perhaps they think it's the best they can ever do, or that they can't get anyone else. Many times, that's a self-esteem problem. Self-esteem doesn't have to be something bad.
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RE: Self-Esteem - 11/16/2008 2:50:32 PM
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Don't you think society has pushed self esteem into an "it's all about me attitude"? As humans we desire to be validated, so we become more selfish and think we have to be better than the next person. That we have to strive to be the best. So younger people think that's what's expected of them and then they find they can't live up to those standards. That in itself affects how they perceive themselves.
I try so hard with the young people in my life to show them God's love, accepting them for who they are and meet them where they're at. Teaching them that their self worth is not based on what society says it should be but by trying to live by God's standards, so that they can see His way is much better. One way would be to serve Him by helping others, what a positive self esteem builder that is.
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RE: Self-Esteem - 11/17/2008 8:31:05 PM
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leonfigg3
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I think that society pushes the issue of self esteem in a couple of different directions on the one hand it pushes the "me attitude". On the other hand it also seeks to "level the playing field" so that no one's self esteem is damaged.
Both can be equally damaging.
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RE: Self-Esteem - 11/18/2008 10:40:12 AM
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For example, I know women who will date any man regardless of how badly they treat them. I know of women who are beaten regularly and still stay... Perhaps they think it's the best they can ever do, or that they can't get anyone else. Many times, that's a self-esteem problem. Self-esteem doesn't have to be something bad.
Usually it's because they have believed satan's lie instead of the one true God. Sometimes, their history has created a perverse definition of love. For most women in abuse situations, outside authorities and counseling are essential.
Self-esteem is appropriately labeled because it is about "self." Completely unbiblical. However, the fruits of what we refer to as self-esteem are addressed in scripture and we can find hope there. If our hearts are open, we are broken and following the promptings of the Holy Spirit...we can be totally restored to the Lord.
It is a process to heal a hyper-sensitive conscience, it takes some work, it takes a lot of what many don't want to be bothered with because it's not instantaneous.
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RE: Self-Esteem - 11/18/2008 1:11:45 PM
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I have a theory that I like to call American Idol Syndrome.
During the auditions of American Idol there are people who audition who cannot sing at all. When all three judges tell them that they cannot sing they get really upset. I believe this because no one has told them they cannot sing. because they don't want any hurt feelings. So instead the say nothing or tell them that the can sing. what should have been done or said is "You know singing is not way for to go, maybe should do this (insert another talent here) instead. Redirection is the key.
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RE: Self-Esteem - 11/18/2008 5:17:42 PM
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Self-esteem is about finding worth and value for yourself, usually within yourself. It is from doing something well (self-confidence) and having a high opinion of yourself. If the esteem is found in self (apart from God), then the self will never be esteemed (honored). However, if the esteem or sense of worth stems form the One who created you (I'm created by God, Chosen by God (though sinful), to be a Child of God), then a sense of worth is more accurate. I think you're on the right track!
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RE: Self-Esteem - 11/19/2008 11:52:28 AM
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RE: Self-Esteem - 11/22/2008 11:04:54 AM
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People need some sense of self worth, that is that they are worth or mean something. Some Christian's reject the very notion and have a very low view of themselves, that is not taking care of themselves etc, because they do not value who they are at all.
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RE: Self-Esteem - 11/22/2008 6:22:54 PM
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People need some sense of self worth, that is that they are worth or mean something. Some Christian's reject the very notion and have a very low view of themselves, that is not taking care of themselves etc, because they do not value who they are at all.
Yes, we all need a sense of self worth. But, the self esteem movement sought to create that sense of self worth in self alone taking Christ out of the picture all together. We have to take care of self before we can take care of others and we are to lift others up above self. Perhaps if more of us did this, selfesteem wouldn't be the issue it is.
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RE: Self-Esteem - 11/22/2008 8:01:50 PM
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People need some sense of self worth . . . .
Exactly. This is something people don't, in general, understand until all personal value has been stripped from them by one or more of the authority figures in their life.
I still occasionally go through bouts of complete lack of self worth, and it is very painful. It is mainly salf-hatred. It is often analyzed as dissatisfaction with G-d, but in reality, it isn't; it is more of a dissatisfaction with how the person has responded to the gifts G-d has given and an immaturity toward advancing in those gifts as well as in spite of the negatives.
Most of the time, I just ignore the feelings until they go away, going on my merry Pollyanna way, until I forget about it. I am going through that right now, but this time, I am trying to sort it out through prayer, attending services, and Bible-reading -- meeting it head-on in a manner and determinedness I haven't used before.
One thing that happens, during one of these bouts, is withdrawal from certain activities, especially public ones or ones dealing with lots of people at once. I forced myself to read one of the Scriptures at my place of worship today -- something completely out of character when going through this stuff, but I did it.
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One of the things I have noticed in public responses of non-white people toward the President-elect is a boost of self-esteem. I may not like our President-elect, I do worry about what he is going to do, and I hate his stance on the right to life, but if a large portion of our populace is feeling a boost in self-esteem because of the election, I appreciate that.
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RE: Self-Esteem - 11/22/2008 8:20:47 PM
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ORIGINAL: humbleinspirit
People need some sense of self worth . . . .
Exactly. This is something people don't, in general, understand until all personal value has been stripped from them by one or more of the authority figures in their life.
I still occasionally go through bouts of complete lack of self worth, and it is very painful. It is mainly salf-hatred. It is often analyzed as dissatisfaction with G-d, but in reality, it isn't; it is more of a dissatisfaction with how the person has responded to the gifts G-d has given and an immaturity toward advancing in those gifts as well as in spite of the negatives.
Most of the time, I just ignore the feelings until they go away, going on my merry Pollyanna way, until I forget about it. I am going through that right now, but this time, I am trying to sort it out through prayer, attending services, and Bible-reading -- meeting it head-on in a manner and determinedness I haven't used before.
One thing that happens, during one of these bouts, is withdrawal from certain activities, especially public ones or ones dealing with lots of people at once. I forced myself to read one of the Scriptures at my place of worship today -- something completely out of character when going through this stuff, but I did it.
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One of the things I have noticed in public responses of non-white people toward the President-elect is a boost of self-esteem. I may not like our President-elect, I do worry about what he is going to do, and I hate his stance on the right to life, but if a large portion of our populace is feeling a boost in self-esteem because of the election, I appreciate that.
This post has touched my heart. I can identify in many respects.
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