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Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/20/2008 6:39:48 PM
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LoyalGypsy
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Monday, September 29, 2008 9:23 PM
By: Kenneth R. Timmerman Article Font Size
More than half of the whopping $426.9 million Barack Obama has raised has come from small donors whose names the Obama campaign won't disclose.
http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/Obama_fundraising_illegal/2008/09/29/135718.html
This is new to me.. anyone heard of this???
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/20/2008 6:48:18 PM
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I have been seing some thngs on it. Since anything under $200 does not have to be reported, I just wonder how many consecative numbered money orders for $199 there are involved in the take.
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/20/2008 6:52:19 PM
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LoyalGypsy
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I have been seing some thngs on it. Since anything under $200 does not have to be reported, I just wonder how many consecative numbered money orders for $199 there are involved in the take.
Thanks
RC
I just heard about that on this live radio station (Christian)
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=290566
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/20/2008 7:09:11 PM
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I have been seing some thngs on it. Since anything under $200 does not have to be reported, I just wonder how many consecative numbered money orders for $199 there are involved in the take.
As the article points out, the law is cumulative - if the sum of any individual donor's contributions exceeds $200, they must be reported. But there are many bogus names in the record and contribution totals that exceed the legal limit.
Most telling is another article (I can't find the link now) noting that there are a large number of donations that are not round numbers/whole dollar amounts (e.g. not $25, $50, $100, but rather like $32.19, $54.75, $106.78) and that this is highly unusual. The most straightforward explanation is the conversion of foreign currency to U.S. dollars. The article noted the total amount from such possibly foreign contributions ranged from $13 million to $69 million (I think I'm remembering the figures correctly.)
An interesting analysis would involve taking each odd donation and the date/time it was given and parsing it with the exchange rates in effect at that time to see which foreign currency yielded a round number. Doing so could theoretically identify the national origin of the donation.
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/20/2008 7:13:25 PM
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I have been seing some thngs on it. Since anything under $200 does not have to be reported, I just wonder how many consecative numbered money orders for $199 there are involved in the take.
As the article points out, the law is cumulative - if the sum of any individual donor's contributions exceeds $200, they must be reported. But there are many bogus names in the record and contribution totals that exceed the legal limit.
Most telling is another article (I can't find the link now) noting that there are a large number of donations that are not round numbers/whole dollar amounts (e.g. not $25, $50, $100, but rather like $32.19, $54.75, $106.78) and that this is highly unusual. The most straightforward explanation is the conversion of foreign currency to U.S. dollars. The article noted the total amount from such possibly foreign contributions ranged from $13 million to $69 million (I think I'm remembering the figures correctly.)
An interesting analysis would involve taking each odd donation and the date/time it was given and parsing it with the exchange rates in effect at that time to see which foreign currency yielded a round number. Doing so could theoretically identify the national origin of the donation.
-Robb
i dont mean to ask a question that will appear to be stupid, but if other countries were helping to support obama, what kind of effect could that have on the USA? i.e. if they were freindly or enemy?
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/20/2008 8:02:05 PM
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Well the easiest way to explain that is that they are buying the office of the POTUS.
I personally don't think a penny of foreign aid should be allowed to be accepted for political candidates. I also think that the amount that has been spent is obscene.
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/20/2008 8:04:25 PM
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i dont mean to ask a question that will appear to be stupid, but if other countries were helping to support obama, what kind of effect could that have on the USA? i.e. if they were freindly or enemy?
Well foreign contributions are illegal whatever country they are from, because the law rightly recognizes that if a foreign country could give to an American campaign, that country could exert undue influence over an elected official.
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/20/2008 9:15:48 PM
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I don’t mean to ask a question that will appear to be stupid, but if other countries were helping to support Obama, what kind of effect could that have on the USA? i.e. if they were friendly or enemy?
Well foreign contributions are illegal whatever country they are from, because the law rightly recognizes that if a foreign country could give to an American campaign, that country could exert undue influence over an elected official.
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that country could exert undue influence over an elected official.
It all adds up to unlimited resources
Here’s how it is done in this country
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2109208/posts
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/20/2008 10:19:06 PM
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This just bugs me. And I think what makes me most angry is that most American's don't get it or just don't care!
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/20/2008 10:19:26 PM
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i dont mean to ask a question that will appear to be stupid, but if other countries were helping to support obama, what kind of effect could that have on the USA? i.e. if they were freindly or enemy?
Ima, that's not stupid; it's a legitimate question. For both friends and enemies, I think they would believe that Obama's policies would be more beneficial to their interests than McCain's. Even for friends, that doesn't necessarily mean that's beneficial to our interests, and of course anything good in our enemies' eyes is probably bad for us.
But as others have noted, the biggest danger is the influence such donations would secure over the President. Whether it simply means more favorable policy stances, or even active input into policymaking itself, it means foreign money mattering more than what is actually good for us.
That's why foreign campaign contributions are illegal - to prevent a foreign power from "buying" our government and running us like a puppet (in the worst-case scenario).
-Robb
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/21/2008 8:18:16 AM
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i dont mean to ask a question that will appear to be stupid, but if other countries were helping to support obama, what kind of effect could that have on the USA? i.e. if they were freindly or enemy?
Ima, that's not stupid; it's a legitimate question. For both friends and enemies, I think they would believe that Obama's policies would be more beneficial to their interests than McCain's. Even for friends, that doesn't necessarily mean that's beneficial to our interests, and of course anything good in our enemies' eyes is probably bad for us.
But as others have noted, the biggest danger is the influence such donations would secure over the President. Whether it simply means more favorable policy stances, or even active input into policymaking itself, it means foreign money mattering more than what is actually good for us.
That's why foreign campaign contributions are illegal - to prevent a foreign power from "buying" our government and running us like a puppet (in the worst-case scenario).
-Robb
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the biggest danger is the influence such donations would secure over the President. Whether it simply means more favorable policy stances, or even active input into policymaking itself, it means foreign money mattering more than what is actually good for us.
Im beginning to wonder if perhaps tainted donation money from overseas found its way through those ghost voter registrants through ACORN  
Looks like the perfect ploy for money laundering…so to speak!
But who knows, all we do know is that the timing makes it impossible to find out until after the elections… how convenient 
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/21/2008 8:28:43 AM
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I personally know of one major Republican donor in our area who was indicted (37 counts) for illegal campaign contributions. Not all Republicans are saints. Most of the time the candidates have no clue about such shenanigans. If someone combed through McCains records there would be a lot of eye opening revelations as well.
Four who gave to political campaigns accused of money laundering
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/21/2008 9:58:19 AM
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You guys keep these GOP biased websites in business.
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/21/2008 10:19:15 AM
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LoyalGypsy
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I personally know of one major Republican donor in our area who was indicted (37 counts) for illegal campaign contributions. Not all Republicans are saints. Most of the time the candidates have no clue about such shenanigans. If someone combed through McCains records there would be a lot of eye opening revelations as well.
Four who gave to political campaigns accused of money laundering
That was easy enough to be traced and it was local, stuff like that is easy to find for example
http://www.campaignmoney.com/ford_motor.asp
I believe it is the hidden agenda that is being hushed…. $199.00 and under as included in the 1 half of a billion dollars total...thus far as play money for the big O
SO I am basically looking at it from this angle here
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78309
LG
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/21/2008 11:54:00 AM
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i dont mean to ask a question that will appear to be stupid, but if other countries were helping to support obama, what kind of effect could that have on the USA? i.e. if they were freindly or enemy?
Well foreign contributions are illegal whatever country they are from, because the law rightly recognizes that if a foreign country could give to an American campaign, that country could exert undue influence over an elected official.
You are forgetting this Obama you are talking about he is excluded from those laws. 
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/21/2008 12:04:05 PM
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I personally know of one major Republican donor in our area who was indicted (37 counts) for illegal campaign contributions. Not all Republicans are saints. Most of the time the candidates have no clue about such shenanigans. If someone combed through McCains records there would be a lot of eye opening revelations as well.
Four who gave to political campaigns accused of money laundering
That was easy enough to be traced and it was local, stuff like that is easy to find for example
http://www.campaignmoney.com/ford_motor.asp
I believe it is the hidden agenda that is being hushed…. $199.00 and under as included in the 1 half of a billion dollars total...thus far as play money for the big O
SO I am basically looking at it from this angle here
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78309
LG
I can't believe you posted that second link.
If you believe that then you're no brighter than the woman who called Barack Obama an 'Arab'.
This is my last post in the election forum.
I tried to help bring a little balance to this forum but how do you intelligently dispute COMPLETE fabrications?
It's hard to believe that people who profess themselves to be Christians can so easily spread lies and propaganda.
Shame on you LG.
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/21/2008 12:08:38 PM
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ORIGINAL: LoyalGypsy
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ORIGINAL: mapachito13
I personally know of one major Republican donor in our area who was indicted (37 counts) for illegal campaign contributions. Not all Republicans are saints. Most of the time the candidates have no clue about such shenanigans. If someone combed through McCains records there would be a lot of eye opening revelations as well.
Four who gave to political campaigns accused of money laundering
That was easy enough to be traced and it was local, stuff like that is easy to find for example
http://www.campaignmoney.com/ford_motor.asp
I believe it is the hidden agenda that is being hushed…. $199.00 and under as included in the 1 half of a billion dollars total...thus far as play money for the big O
SO I am basically looking at it from this angle here
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78309
LG
I can't believe you posted that second link.
If you believe that then you're no brighter than the woman who called Barack Obama an 'Arab'.
This is my last post in the election forum.
I tried to help bring a little balance to this forum but how do you intelligently dispute COMPLETE fabrications?
It's hard to believe that people who profess themselves to be Christians can so easily spread lies and propaganda.
Shame on you LG.
Don't let some of the ignorant comments here push you away, just pray on it.
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/21/2008 12:36:33 PM
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ORIGINAL: LoyalGypsy
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ORIGINAL: mapachito13
I personally know of one major Republican donor in our area who was indicted (37 counts) for illegal campaign contributions. Not all Republicans are saints. Most of the time the candidates have no clue about such shenanigans. If someone combed through McCains records there would be a lot of eye opening revelations as well.
Four who gave to political campaigns accused of money laundering
That was easy enough to be traced and it was local, stuff like that is easy to find for example
http://www.campaignmoney.com/ford_motor.asp
I believe it is the hidden agenda that is being hushed…. $199.00 and under as included in the 1 half of a billion dollars total...thus far as play money for the big O
SO I am basically looking at it from this angle here
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78309
LG
I can't believe you posted that second link.
If you believe that then you're no brighter than the woman who called Barack Obama an 'Arab'.
This is my last post in the election forum.
I tried to help bring a little balance to this forum but how do you intelligently dispute COMPLETE fabrications?
It's hard to believe that people who profess themselves to be Christians can so easily spread lies and propaganda.
Shame on you LG.
I'm just curious how many more times you're going to say "this is my last post ever", RJ. If you're taking this stuff that personally, maybe it IS time for a break.
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/21/2008 1:12:59 PM
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Interesting post kid.
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I tried to help bring a little balance to this forum but how do you intelligently dispute COMPLETE fabrications?
How about bringing your own facts along with your, ahem,,, balance. They stand up better than shrill defiant rhetoric i think.
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It's hard to believe that people who profess themselves to be Christians can so easily spread lies and propaganda.
I would like to hear why you think other people's ideas are "propoganda" and your ideas aren't.
Is propoganda defined as something you don't want to believe?
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RE: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign - 10/21/2008 7:32:34 PM
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Interesting post kid.
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ORIGINAL: rjthakid
I tried to help bring a little balance to this forum but how do you intelligently dispute COMPLETE fabrications?
How about bringing your own facts along with your, ahem,,, balance. They stand up better than shrill defiant rhetoric i think.
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ORIGINAL: rjthakid
It's hard to believe that people who profess themselves to be Christians can so easily spread lies and propaganda.
I would like to hear why you think other people's ideas are "propoganda" and your ideas aren't.
Is propoganda defined as something you don't want to believe?
Greetings
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ORIGINAL: rjthakid
It's hard to believe that people who profess themselves to be Christians can so easily spread lies and propaganda.
As long as it is true rjthakid... it is written that those will call truth a lie
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2008/oct/biden-family-gets-millions-campaign-cash
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=290768
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=290820
LG
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