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Review of "Why I Became An Atheist" - 10/22/2008 7:06:40 PM
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SophiesLadder
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This thread is to discuss this book by John Loftus, a former preacher and my review of it.
My initial review is found on my website, www.sophiesladder.com under "Review of 'Why I Became An Atheist", October 16, 2008 (You can either scroll down or click on the link on the left-hand side panel.
A second review, entitled "A World Without Suffering" responds to Loftus' presentation of The Problem of Evil within the book.
You can review either one or both post any comment here so we can discuss.
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RE: Review of "Why I Became An Atheist" - 10/24/2008 4:38:18 PM
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SophiesLadder
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I have now posted a response to Chapter 4 of the book, "The Outsider Test of Faith" on www.sophiesladder.com
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RE: Review of "Why I Became An Atheist" - 10/26/2008 10:12:54 AM
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Havn't read Loftus' book, but maybe he should check out "I Don't Have Enough Faight To Be An Atheist" by Turek & Geisler. While it does take faith to believe in Christ, it doesn't require one to be illogocal, as does atheism. Atheism states that there is no God, which is impossible to know, since no-one has been everywhere or seen everything. Atheism also reqires it's believers to accept that something can come from nothing and that oder springs unaided from chaos, beleifs that contradict the laws of nature.
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RE: Review of "Why I Became An Atheist" - 10/27/2008 11:09:06 AM
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SophiesLadder
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Musician Dad -
While I can't speak for Loftus, he knows Geisler personally and was a student of William Lane Craig.
My opposition to Loftus has been that objective evidence is hardly ever conclusive and is a red herring. The reality with which the atheist must deal with is the inner conversion, the revelation of Christ to the individual.
In other words, why dig through the library researching evidence for the historical resurrection of Christ when I have encountered Him within my own being?
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RE: Review of "Why I Became An Atheist" - 10/28/2008 9:44:52 AM
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Musician Dad -
While I can't speak for Loftus, he knows Geisler personally and was a student of William Lane Craig.
My opposition to Loftus has been that objective evidence is hardly ever conclusive and is a red herring. The reality with which the atheist must deal with is the inner conversion, the revelation of Christ to the individual.
In other words, why dig through the library researching evidence for the historical resurrection of Christ when I have encountered Him within my own being?
Wow! Knows him personally? You're right. That's an amazing example of the will it takes to be an atheist. I also absolutely agree with you on the revelation of Christ being the necessary component to belief. No one can (not may) come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father John 6:44.
As far as digging through the library, I personally find it exhilarating to see the proofs of the Bible. Not only is Christianity fully in keeping with the laws of logic, unlike atheism, the evidence of the truth of the Bible is concrete, if not conclusive for everyone. The Lord may choose to bring someone to Him through the actual facts of nature and history. If I remember correctly, that was the case with Hugh Ross. If He chooses to blind somebody on the road and speak directly to them, that works too. 
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RE: Review of "Why I Became An Atheist" - 10/28/2008 5:27:06 PM
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As far as digging through the library, I personally find it exhilarating to see the proofs of the Bible.
I agree. I am continually amazed by the Bible, but it's my belief that a nonbeliever is blind to its spiritual truths. All he sees it as is a (very flawed) historical document or as a piece of ancient literature. It is the Spirit that leads into all truth.
My point about the library was that of Kierkegaard's - if salvation is truly dependent on historical evidence we must read all the books on the matter and then wait until the last book on the issue is published and by that time, we will be dead. Given that, I think it's safe to assume that salvation does not come merely by that path. It is as you say. We must be drawn by the Father. We must be led of the Spirit. Jesus knocks upon the door of our heart and then we must decide whether or not to let him in.
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RE: Review of "Why I Became An Atheist" - 10/28/2008 5:43:08 PM
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Jesus knocks upon the door of our heart and then we must decide whether or not to let him in.
I'll go you one further. We are completely dead. He gives us a new birth and then we want Him in us, which He is. No spiritually dead person ever wants to open the door to Christ.
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