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Revelation 13 - The beast - 11/6/2008 12:11:58 PM
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Revelation 13: 1-5
1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies
Ok, I know this is going to be pulled to pieces, as many have very different opinions to who, where and what this is talking about or describing. I thought I’d put it up anyway as a good subject to drag out some heated discussion. Hehehehe. So rip away everyone, I’ve boarded up my doors and windows and put my gum shield in. LOL
I was looking at these verses and cross ref through Daniel etc and looked at what other books said about the agreed imagery between them.
It was pretty much agreed that the ‘waters’ represented the nations and their peoples.
It was also agreed by ‘many’, but not all, that both Daniel and John were seeing all the beast like world empires that would proudly dominate throughout history.
It says at the end of verse 2 that it is Satan (the dragon) that has given these empires his power and his seat and authority.
In revelation 14, from John’s viewpoint in history, he is shown that there have been five of these empires, and one was current at that time, the Roman Empire;
(And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space)
The next thing I noticed was that John saw that one of the heads had been badly wounded, but here the world marvelled because it had recovered;
(3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast)
Many films and books and eschatology writers have made the mistake of saying that the person anti-Christ will be wounded so it looks as if he is dead, but by a miracle will appear to rise from the dead. I think that this is a mistake, and both John and Daniel were being shown that this was not a person, but empires, or political powers that would rise and have power over the earth for a time.
So what of the wound on one of the beasts heads?
Well, ‘IF’ this is correct, then although each empire had a time of power throughout history, the revelation here indicates that each empire is of one beast, who is Satan. A beast that is represented by seven heads of domination.
John saw that five had already been, and that one currently is at John’s time (Roman Empire) and that this one would be again in the future.
Was there anything that happened during the Roman Empires reign that could be described as wounding that empire, or indeed, wounding Satan, so badly that it appeared unto death?
Gen 3: 14-15 - And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Here is the first prophecy where we see Jesus being promised. ‘Her Seed’, is our messiah.
God tells us here that Satan will bruise Jesus heal. Or in other words, will cause Jesus serious pain and damage. The crucifixion was the fulfilment here.
Jesus would bruise Satan’s head. Much more damaging, and almost to death, ‘but not quite’!
It was during the Roman Empires reign that Satan was dealt a real death blow to his plans for mankind. The very thing that was supposed to destroy Jesus, was the very thing that almost destroyed Satan. One day it will, but as we know, not yet!
That should have been it! Mankind’s pride should have been destroyed and man should have been saved. But not all men believed the good news. It’s true that as the Gospel spread throughout the Roman Empire, it finally did enough damage to all but destroy the empire, but not quite. A kind of reflection to what Jesus’ victory did to Satan.
However, Not all men believed the good news, and over the years, and the further we get away from that glorious day, both Satan, and wicked men’s hearts have been working hard to destroy God’s authority and destroy the power of the cross, through lies, deception and a jealous lust in men’s hearts to have ultimate power separate from God.
I think that the wound to death that recovered was Jesus’ victory over Satan on the cross. It recovers because of man’s apostasy, so Satan once again will lead a world empire that stems from a recovery, and is the same beast as all of the other empires.
This final effort of man and Satan will see a world government that the world will marvel at, because they thought that the concept of a world empire dictatorship was finished. Or they’ll marvel at it because they thought they’d seen the last of it because of the Gospel and Christ’s victory, but here it is!
Anti-Christ will rise up to take control of this final attempt to re-build Babel, and turn it into the Satanic empire where men will have to worship Satan or die.
I know there is much more to this, and I feel this might just be the foundation to it all, as there is much more to identify within the beasts description, which I have views on, but just wanted to get us thinking on this.
OK, this may be way off, but maybe not!
Ok, let the battering commence! LOL
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RE: Revelation 13 - The beast - 11/6/2008 2:15:38 PM
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I do not see any reason to batter you for your post. You could very well be right and this reference is to an empire, like the Roman empire. Could the European Union be considered the new Roman empire? It certainly could. Almost all the symolic references in Revelations can be found elsewhere either in the bible itself, or somewhere in history. I tend to think that the horns and crowns have to do with kingdoms (crowns) and false religions (horns). This means that anything that the antichrist will create 10 kingdoms out of all of the nations of the earth, and will advocate all of the major false religions, as long as they are not christianity or Judaism.
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RE: Revelation 13 - The beast - 11/6/2008 2:36:03 PM
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I do not see any reason to batter you for your post. You could very well be right and this reference is to an empire, like the Roman empire. Could the European Union be considered the new Roman empire? It certainly could. Almost all the symolic references in Revelations can be found elsewhere either in the bible itself, or somewhere in history. I tend to think that the horns and crowns have to do with kingdoms (crowns) and false religions (horns). This means that anything that the antichrist will create 10 kingdoms out of all of the nations of the earth, and will advocate all of the major false religions, as long as they are not christianity or Judaism.
Phew! Thanks Bravjim,
I whole heartily agree with you on the horns and crowns. Yep, I think this is accurate.
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RE: Revelation 13 - The beast - 11/6/2008 2:40:04 PM
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as long as they are not Christianity or Judaism.
Or, maybe in keeping with apostasy, including a drastically compromised liberal forms of Christianity and Judaism that no longer causes offense to other religious beliefs of God and salvation?
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RE: Revelation 13 - The beast - 11/6/2008 3:12:01 PM
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Revelation 13: 1-5
1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies
Ok, I know this is going to be pulled to pieces, as many have very different opinions to who, where and what this is talking about or describing. I thought I’d put it up anyway as a good subject to drag out some heated discussion. Hehehehe. So rip away everyone, I’ve boarded up my doors and windows and put my gum shield in. LOL
I was looking at these verses and cross ref through Daniel etc and looked at what other books said about the agreed imagery between them.
It was pretty much agreed that the ‘waters’ represented the nations and their peoples.
It was also agreed by ‘many’, but not all, that both Daniel and John were seeing all the beast like world empires that would proudly dominate throughout history. Verse 1 on context, this makes more sense if "he" or "it" stood on the sand of the sea.
And he/it stood on the sand of the sea.
Some earlier translations have this in the last verse of the previous chapter.
The reference text is Daniel 7:3.
This beast isn't the Anti-Christ as people have thought, it is actually the Roman empire.
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It says at the end of verse 2 that it is Satan (the dragon) that has given these empires his power and his seat and authority. This beast has all character traits of the three beasts in Daniel 7:3-6
Therefore, this beast is as the ones in Daniel, it is kingdoms & not a man.
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So what of the wound on one of the beasts heads? This is a political wound, as the Roman empire was thought to have been gone but now comes back.
The EU (European Union) is the "new" Roman empire coming back to life.
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John saw that five had already been, and that one currently is at John's time (Roman Empire) and that this one would be again in the future.
Was there anything that happened during the Roman Empires reign that could be described as wounding that empire, or indeed, wounding Satan, so badly that it appeared unto death? Rome fell because its political make-up left it unable to defend itself against invasion. Or the Romans collapsed because of themselves and their lifestyle and corruption in the political system and arrogance.
All that went into the political decay within Rome and its empire; there was the economic decay that accompanied the political decay.
Some add Christianity to the mix, or paganism.
These aside, the political system was geared for occasional failures in competent leadership. And one might want to throw in an increase in population among those living outside the Roman Empire
The "official" end of the Roman Empire was September 4th, 476 AD when Emperor Romulus Augustus was forced to abdicate by the invading Barbarians from the north (more or less the ancestors of today's Germans
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Anti-Christ will rise up to take control of this final attempt to re-build Babel, and turn it into the Satanic empire where men will have to worship Satan or die. No one will blatently worship Satan, but will worship anything but God.
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RE: Revelation 13 - The beast - 11/6/2008 7:12:08 PM
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You know...I strongly suspect the coming AC doesn't understand that He is the AC, in fact in the beginning I suspect that his intentions are what he considers noble but Satan will lead him down the garden path until mid week at which time Satan will fully control his actions.
Is it possible that Satan doesn't know which person will be the suitable host or which person will ascend to a level of power that allows Satan to influence the world? Because of this Satan might have several potential host working in his service at any one time.
All Satan really needs is a godless man with extreme charisma that he (Satan) can lead to a position of international power and when that power has totally corrupted the person…Satan has his host.
All of this would make the initial identification of the AC really difficult.
Just thinking out loud.
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RE: Revelation 13 - The beast - 11/6/2008 7:29:50 PM
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I have pondered this myself Bob, Satan ain't no gentleman, I think that he prob does know who he's been leading on (Like ya say, there maybe more than one being primed for the job at once). If you think about it, all he really needs to see is that 'lust for power' over others. A candidate that is in the position to gain political power, and a person with no real desire for God's truth.
I do think there would be a point where the candidate is in such a corrupted state he would be happy to do Satan's will to get what he wants, especially with Satan's silver tongue convincing him as Satan did to Adam & Eve, who were not filled with evil!
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RE: Revelation 13 - The beast - 11/6/2008 7:46:50 PM
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Sonic…it’s really good to have you on this form. You have a fresh approach with great insight and you have caused me to regenerate my interest in prophecy again…Thanks. 
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RE: Revelation 13 - The beast - 11/6/2008 8:11:18 PM
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Likewise Bob, it's encouraging to see God's people such as yourself that really care about the word of God, to check through God's word and to take the time to make sure they understand that to understand prophecy, it isn't just about prophetic formulas, but more importantly, it's about knowing the heart of God, his desire to want us all to be saved in Christ. I've agreed with so much of what you've said, and see that you so want to understand in truth.
You know Bob, I spend half my time apologising before I say anything on here, because i'm aware there are some real spiritual geniuses. When I find something, it's mainly just me trying to be honest with what I see and making sure with my limited knowledge, that it balances with the little i am aware of and with the truth of God as I know it. But I know people say we shouldn't get carried away with prophecy, but I've got to tell you, it gets me excited about God, and reveals so much to me about just how amazing jesus is. That can't be a bad thing can it?
Thanks so much for your kind words bro'
Sonic
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RE: Revelation 13 - The beast - 11/6/2008 11:59:14 PM
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Good analysis. For we struggle against not flesh and blood but our struggle is against the fallen dark spirits in the lower spiritual realm which where conquered and triumphed over at the cross at Golgatha by Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, we see that the dragon is awaiting (while fighting the ministering people and spirits) on the shore for the two beasts to culminate in fullfillment of God's Word. They will become one animal with 10 worldwide leaders of whom the false prophet starts small with a covenant (mark of the beast) and subdues 3 leaders to make an eigth king as written. The hills are empire time periods on which the prostitute sits over the nations of the world and with which the fallen kings (spiritual beings in the lower heavenly realms or the kings of the prince of the powers of the air (the dragon) as written in Daniel that the angel will go to struggle with the king of persia and then greece will come) in the spiritual realm have committed fornication and that have made people deceived regarding The Truth of God's Word.
There is a written prophecy regarding that the libyans and nubians in submission. This is alluded to by another prophecy not found in Scripture in the quatrains as well that a nubian (not of saxony) leader arises and makes deals with libya and that a mohammadean would become leader. There is also a written prophecy regarding one leader known as not popular as at first; this was fulfilled with George Bush.
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Revelation 13: 1-5
1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies
Ok, I know this is going to be pulled to pieces, as many have very different opinions to who, where and what this is talking about or describing. I thought I’d put it up anyway as a good subject to drag out some heated discussion. Hehehehe. So rip away everyone, I’ve boarded up my doors and windows and put my gum shield in. LOL
I was looking at these verses and cross ref through Daniel etc and looked at what other books said about the agreed imagery between them.
It was pretty much agreed that the ‘waters’ represented the nations and their peoples.
It was also agreed by ‘many’, but not all, that both Daniel and John were seeing all the beast like world empires that would proudly dominate throughout history.
It says at the end of verse 2 that it is Satan (the dragon) that has given these empires his power and his seat and authority.
In revelation 14, from John’s viewpoint in history, he is shown that there have been five of these empires, and one was current at that time, the Roman Empire;
(And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space)
The next thing I noticed was that John saw that one of the heads had been badly wounded, but here the world marvelled because it had recovered;
(3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast)
Many films and books and eschatology writers have made the mistake of saying that the person anti-Christ will be wounded so it looks as if he is dead, but by a miracle will appear to rise from the dead. I think that this is a mistake, and both John and Daniel were being shown that this was not a person, but empires, or political powers that would rise and have power over the earth for a time.
So what of the wound on one of the beasts heads?
Well, ‘IF’ this is correct, then although each empire had a time of power throughout history, the revelation here indicates that each empire is of one beast, who is Satan. A beast that is represented by seven heads of domination.
John saw that five had already been, and that one currently is at John’s time (Roman Empire) and that this one would be again in the future.
Was there anything that happened during the Roman Empires reign that could be described as wounding that empire, or indeed, wounding Satan, so badly that it appeared unto death?
Gen 3: 14-15 - And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Here is the first prophecy where we see Jesus being promised. ‘Her Seed’, is our messiah.
God tells us here that Satan will bruise Jesus heal. Or in other words, will cause Jesus serious pain and damage. The crucifixion was the fulfilment here.
Jesus would bruise Satan’s head. Much more damaging, and almost to death, ‘but not quite’!
It was during the Roman Empires reign that Satan was dealt a real death blow to his plans for mankind. The very thing that was supposed to destroy Jesus, was the very thing that almost destroyed Satan. One day it will, but as we know, not yet!
That should have been it! Mankind’s pride should have been destroyed and man should have been saved. But not all men believed the good news. It’s true that as the Gospel spread throughout the Roman Empire, it finally did enough damage to all but destroy the empire, but not quite. A kind of reflection to what Jesus’ victory did to Satan.
However, Not all men believed the good news, and over the years, and the further we get away from that glorious day, both Satan, and wicked men’s hearts have been working hard to destroy God’s authority and destroy the power of the cross, through lies, deception and a jealous lust in men’s hearts to have ultimate power separate from God.
I think that the wound to death that recovered was Jesus’ victory over Satan on the cross. It recovers because of man’s apostasy, so Satan once again will lead a world empire that stems from a recovery, and is the same beast as all of the other empires.
This final effort of man and Satan will see a world government that the world will marvel at, because they thought that the concept of a world empire dictatorship was finished. Or they’ll marvel at it because they thought they’d seen the last of it because of the Gospel and Christ’s victory, but here it is!
Anti-Christ will rise up to take control of this final attempt to re-build Babel, and turn it into the Satanic empire where men will have to worship Satan or die.
I know there is much more to this, and I feel this might just be the foundation to it all, as there is much more to identify within the beasts description, which I have views on, but just wanted to get us thinking on this.
OK, this may be way off, but maybe not!
Ok, let the battering commence! LOL
The other beasts were permitted to maintain existence for a time, but were not as powerful as the animal will bronze claws and frightening authority over many nations. It is written in Daniel and Jeremiah regarding King Nebucadnezzar how God called him my servant to conquer and subdue nations. We are to submit to earthly Governance authorities in as far as they as entrusted and ordained by God to execute Justice and Law and Order. We do not and cannot submit to the trial of the mark of the false prophet, it is a spritual war then with physical ramifications regarding the opportunity to be included in the suffering quotient call of the Martyrdom of the Faithful to Christ. When one can perceive that the leaves and the fruit on the fig tree is coming to a season where it will become ripe, then one should be preparing for the eventual war that will come upon all of the believers worldwide through the covenant of the restricted commerce of the false prophet known also as the son of perdition or the anti-Christ. If The Temple of God will be rebuilt in 7 years in accordance with the Prophetic calendar given by God to Moses; in 2015; then we have 7 years to prepare ourselves for any troubles ahead. If it does not come to pass, nothing is lost and we are still prepared. This will not be peace accord with Israel. We live in the times already of peace accords with The Woman as written in Scripture. The Dragon hated the Woman. We see, then, that the earth will swallow the rushing waters out of the mouth of the Dragon and agains She will be delivered for 1260 days or 42 months or 3 1/2 years. Then the sacrifice and offering will be stopped and the abomination that causes the Desolation Decrees in Revelation to be issued will be set up and they in Judea must flee to the mountains right away and not take anything with them they must endure a trial for 30-75 days more, during which the believers of God together with New Jerusalem Israel will be caught up to meet Christ in the air at the first trumpet as written in The Apostle Paul and Revelation. The Judgement Desolation decrees will be issued as written upon anyone who takes the mark. The 144,000 firstfruits to The Lord will be sealed and remain on earth for The Lord has prepared a table in the presence of their enemies as written. The 144,000 firstfruits are those that chosen from among all peoples (as Isaiah wrote and as Diaspora proved and even as Josephs sons where reckoned Prophetically as Tribes of Israel regardless of mothers heritage for a Jew is a Jew on the inside in accordance with what God places in the inner being; only to those to whom The Father has appointed it is The Word of Jesus Christ) out of all time periods to be given graciously conferred reward of Angelica type service to God whereby there is no sex as Jesus said that the Spirits of the believers in God do not marry in heaven.
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RE: Revelation 13 - The beast - 11/8/2008 3:41:11 PM
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Likewise Bob, it's encouraging to see God's people such as yourself that really care about the word of God, to check through God's word and to take the time to make sure they understand that to understand prophecy, it isn't just about prophetic formulas, but more importantly, it's about knowing the heart of God, his desire to want us all to be saved in Christ. I've agreed with so much of what you've said, and see that you so want to understand in truth.
You know Bob, I spend half my time apologising before I say anything on here, because i'm aware there are some real spiritual geniuses. When I find something, it's mainly just me trying to be honest with what I see and making sure with my limited knowledge, that it balances with the little i am aware of and with the truth of God as I know it. But I know people say we shouldn't get carried away with prophecy, but I've got to tell you, it gets me excited about God, and reveals so much to me about just how amazing jesus is. That can't be a bad thing can it?
Thanks so much for your kind words bro'
Sonic
I agree with you and Bob, and no I dont think it can be a bad thing.
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RE: Revelation 13 - The beast - 11/8/2008 5:05:30 PM
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Hi Misty,
Thanks for your kind words, He's amazing isn't He. Yay
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RE: Revelation 13 - The beast - 11/8/2008 5:35:08 PM
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I actually think that this prophecy refers to both an empire AND to a person.
I believe that the deadly wound refers to the dissolution of the Roman Empire about 1600 years ago. It certainly appears to be dead to most people. But it will be 'healed' and brought back to power, and "when he cometh, he must continue a short space." The Revived Roman Empire won't last for very long.
But I also believe that it refers to a person, the AC. The beast is talked about in terms of doing things that a person does.
Rev. 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies.
Empires do not speak blasphemies, people do.
As for the ten kings, I believe that they represent the ten rulers of the ten regions of the world, which the AC will control.
http://www.mazzaroth.com/ChapterSeven/TenRegionsWTO.htm
(Personally, I have a feeling that our new president-elect will be in charge of the North American region.)
That's how I see it.
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RE: Revelation 13 - The beast - 11/8/2008 10:45:31 PM
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Yep, I agree with you on everything you've said. But I still feel that the deadly wound is referring to Satan who has headed all of these empires being almost destroyed by Jesus' victory on the cross. Just my view, but I feel it refers to something far more weighty than we think.
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RE: Revelation 13 - The beast - 11/9/2008 8:18:27 AM
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test, test...
Can you post now?
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RE: Revelation 13 - The beast - 11/9/2008 2:52:35 PM
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test, test...
Can you post now?
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