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RE: Epistles Of James and Jude - 10/13/2008 9:59:48 AM
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LBolt
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Since God (the Holy Spirit) was Jesus' Father and not Joseph (Joseph wasn't Jesus' biological father), then any other children of Joseph and Mary would be Jesus' half-brothers biologically.
Calling them "brothers" is simpler to say. 
Amen! This is exactly right.
My oldest brother and I have different father but the same mother...we would be highly offended if we referred to each other as half brother.
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RE: Epistles Of James and Jude - 10/13/2008 3:56:00 PM
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Jesus' brothers are listed by name in Matthew 13:55 and Mark 6:6. James and Judas are two of the names. Historically, we know that his half-brother James was leader of the Jerusalem church. This is who Jude is referring to in the first verse of his epistle. Otherwise the reference carries no weight. James is also the author of the book of James.
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RE: Epistles Of James and Jude - 10/13/2008 4:19:41 PM
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they could have been half brothers or they could have been cousins, the customs of the day often referred to cousins as brothers. I don't know and it seems wiser not to speculate on this.
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RE: Epistles Of James and Jude - 10/13/2008 10:31:43 PM
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Thanks ta_mosquito.
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RE: Epistles Of James and Jude - 10/13/2008 10:33:23 PM
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Thanks Pastor Patricia. Did you see the reply from ta_patricia - it seemed an interesting reply.
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RE: Epistles Of James and Jude - 10/20/2008 4:23:27 PM
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they could have been half brothers or they could have been cousins, the customs of the day often referred to cousins as brothers. I don't know and it seems wiser not to speculate on this.
The given contexts typically seem to mean brothers and not cousins.
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RE: Epistles Of James and Jude - 10/21/2008 1:12:23 PM
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Calling them cousins (or Joseph's children from a previous marriage) was promoted to facilitate the unscriptural and sociologically abhorrent idea that Mary was a virgin her whole life. Virginity was not idolized in Jewish culture the way it was in some sections of the Greek and Roman cultures.
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RE: Epistles Of James and Jude - 10/21/2008 1:18:40 PM
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Calling them cousins (or Joseph's children from a previous marriage) was promoted to facilitate the unscriptural and sociologically abhorrent idea that Mary was a virgin her whole life. Virginity was not idolized in Jewish culture the way it was in some sections of the Greek and Roman cultures.
There is a clear command regarding proving virginity when a husband questions it.
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RE: Epistles Of James and Jude - 10/21/2008 3:20:07 PM
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That is true, but that refers to her coming to the marriage a virgin; NOT the glorification of her staying a virgin.
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RE: Epistles Of James and Jude - 10/21/2008 5:39:18 PM
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Gen 14:14 Lot was called Abrahams brother, but is actually his nephew. Gen 11:27 Aran was the father of Lot.
If Jesus had brothers then why would he give his mother to someone other than his real brother Jn 19:26-27. It would have been a grave insult to pass on care to someone other than the father or the sons. Why not just leave her to her husband?
In Acts 1:14-15 they prayed together was the apostles (11) + mary (1) + women (?) + brothers (?) = 120. These were also called Jesus brothers, Mary would have had around 80 sons.
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RE: Epistles Of James and Jude - 10/21/2008 6:21:07 PM
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11+1+?+? = 120?
How do you do your math?
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RE: Epistles Of James and Jude - 10/21/2008 9:04:50 PM
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RE: Epistles Of James and Jude - 10/21/2008 10:47:48 PM
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Acts 1:13-15
And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James [the son] of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas [the brother] of James. And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James [the son] of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas [the brother] of James .And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)
This is where the 120 comes in
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RE: Epistles Of James and Jude - 10/22/2008 8:06:53 AM
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Joseph (if still alive) and the brothers of Jesus were not believers at the time of His crucifiction. That is why HE left his mother (who was starting to believe) in the hands of John, one of his closest disciples instead of James, Jude or Joses, etc. It does not matter whether you consider them physical children, step children, cousins or other relatives. To go completely outside the family was equally insulting. But it expressed HIS concern for her to be encouraged in her faith. That was of more import than social correctness.
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RE: Epistles Of James and Jude - 10/23/2008 6:13:53 PM
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It is also possible that His brothers were not there at the time. So, in order to fulfill His responsibility as firstborn He instructed Jhon to take care of her. He also might have meant for John to take her to His brothers. The fact that the explanation was left out of the story leads me to believe the author did not want the important things to be lost in such details.
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