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Did the Republican Party support John McCain enough? - 11/6/2008 12:54:15 PM
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TorchHeart
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I'm not talking about the voters; I'm talking about the party, itself. When you look back at this election, do you feel the the Republican Party did all that it could to get people behind John McCain and make his run for the White House a success, or did they leave some of their effort on the table?
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RE: Did the Republican Party support John McCain enough? - 11/6/2008 1:47:18 PM
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TorchHeart
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No comments? Seriously?
I, for one, think that they didn't. I'm basing my opinions on how the Republican party seemed to just sit in neutral while Obama and Clinton battled for supremecy on the Democratic side. With all the commotion going on, they should've started to hit possible battle ground states harder with advertisements about John McCain and his policies.
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RE: Did the Republican Party support John McCain enough? - 11/6/2008 1:52:03 PM
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I voted yes because every time I saw a Rep. on tv it was the same ol' same ol' "blah, blah, blah" "He's great" "He's wonderful" Basically what one would expect them to say.
He ran a horrible campaign. Fox always talked about how Obama's campaign was so organized.
Opps! I think I acidentally voted no.
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RE: Did the Republican Party support John McCain enough? - 11/6/2008 1:56:31 PM
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stamper_ben
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The RNC of course threw its wholehearted support behind the McCain/Palin ticket. Therein lies the rub. They did it because to lose the election was to lose their power base in DC. It was in their own self interests. They were worried more about what is good for the GOP establishment then what is good for the country. Had they perhaps been looking out for the country as a whole instead then they might have been able to overcome the wrong thinking that middle of the road, reaching across the aisle, maverick McCain would be able to beat the opposition they, again wrongfully, saw in Hillary. Instead they got broadsided and had to face Obama, who they lost to because their candidate wasn't able to be a strong enough conservative to be able to counter the issues (the economy especially) against.
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RE: Did the Republican Party support John McCain enough? - 11/6/2008 2:04:20 PM
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leonfigg3
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McCain was perhaps one of the most unlikely canidate that the RNC could have run this election year. Yes, he had all the necesary requirments. However, he also had a lot of baggage that made RNC support for him very difficult.
1. He was a maverick who disaggreed with his party more than he seemed to supprt it. He semd to side with Democrats more many were comfortable with.
2. His method of campaigning seemed to tie the hands of the RNC who desired to attack Obama and expose his short comings more than McCain did.
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RE: Did the Republican Party support John McCain enough? - 11/6/2008 2:20:12 PM
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rlj
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The RNC of course threw its wholehearted support behind the McCain/Palin ticket. Therein lies the rub. They did it because to lose the election was to lose their power base in DC. It was in their own self interests. They were worried more about what is good for the GOP establishment then what is good for the country. Had they perhaps been looking out for the country as a whole instead then they might have been able to overcome the wrong thinking that middle of the road, reaching across the aisle, maverick McCain would be able to beat the opposition they, again wrongfully, saw in Hillary. Instead they got broadsided and had to face Obama, who they lost to because their candidate wasn't able to be a strong enough conservative to be able to counter the issues (the economy especially) against.
Once again I find myself agreeing with the conservative base more than I have previously. Perhaps the change in leadership will bring about a new kinder gentler me. ; ) Anyway I agree with everything but the "reaching across the aisle". There are simply times this just has to be done. There are going to be maybe 42 Republicans when everything is sorted out in the Senate and a minority in the House. They can do nothing without working the other side of the aisle. A couple of good examples of "working the other side of the aisle" were the supports for the Iraq and the Afghan war. These were both examples of the two parties working together. The Bush tax cuts were an example of "working the other side of the aisle".(I'm biting my tongue using that as a positive but for the sake of discussion.... )
There were many many times though that this was a dumb thing- NCLB and the bailout come to my mind. Those record budgets of pork and earmarks for example.
In the future though one thing that we will wish McCain was working on with the other side is immigration reform. We're going to get it and we're going to get it in the form that we don't like and it will be worse than the ideas from McCain and Dubya that we didn't like a couple or three years ago. This is something that has to happen, it will happen and we'll wish we had a bigger voice than what is left in Congress now. : /
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RE: Did the Republican Party support John McCain enough? - 11/6/2008 2:25:19 PM
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StephK
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ORIGINAL: leonfigg3
McCain was perhaps one of the most unlikely canidate that the RNC could have run this election year. Yes, he had all the necesary requirments. However, he also had a lot of baggage that made RNC support for him very difficult.
1. He was a maverick who disaggreed with his party more than he seemed to supprt it. He semd to side with Democrats more many were comfortable with.
2. His method of campaigning seemed to tie the hands of the RNC who desired to attack Obama and expose his short comings more than McCain did.
Don't forget part of the problem was his own legislation. It came back to bite him.
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RE: Did the Republican Party support John McCain enough? - 11/6/2008 3:17:25 PM
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stamper_ben
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Don't forget part of the problem was his own legislation. It came back to bite him. That (and take note here Roger) was part of that reaching across the aisle stuff. Came back to bite him. I do agree that it must be done as the conditions warrant it. But you can't do that as a matter of course.
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RE: Did the Republican Party support John McCain enough? - 11/6/2008 5:18:02 PM
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rlj
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That (and take note here Roger) was part of that reaching across the aisle stuff. Came back to bite him. I do agree that it must be done as the conditions warrant it. But you can't do that as a matter of course.
That I do agree with.
When I think of times that it backfired I always think back to the 1990 budget deal and the infamous "Read My Lips... " broken promise and how Rush Limbaugh ran a segment on his tv show about 15 times in a row where Bush goes "The bipartisan leaders in Congress and I...".
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RE: Did the Republican Party support John McCain enough? - 11/6/2008 6:46:51 PM
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henny
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I think McCain's going to be a very lonely man in 6 months. He has never been a darling of the right, and even though he moved right significantly throughout the election, I think they will (incorrectly) blame his moderate tendencies for the loss and try to position a hard right candidate for 2012. He's also soured the moderate dems who used to love him somewhat, and thus I don't think he'll have many friends left.
Which is dumb, obviously, as the climate this year dictated that it would have been incredibly unlikely for any republican to win, regardless of how conservative they are. Had Huckabee or Ronmney won the primaries they would have lost even worse than McCain, I think. Of all the available choices in the primary, McCain had the best chance of winning.
So I think the Republican party supported McCain as best they could, but this year the moderates and independents went for a democrat. If McCain did make a mistake it was by trying to win the election with Bush's same strategy of winning "50 + 1" in a climate where that startegy could never have succeeded. He should not have picked Palin as a running mate, and in retrospect I think Lieberman would have probably been the best choice, mainly because I think many republicans would have still held their noses to vote for him, while many independents and moderates would have liked the gesture.
It's really just the luck of the draw, and I kind of feel bad for McCain, as had he won in 2000 I think he would have been remembered as one of the best presidents our country had ever had, given that I don't think he would have made all the mistakes post 9/11 that Bush did.
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RE: Did the Republican Party support John McCain enough? - 11/6/2008 8:19:15 PM
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phreddy
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I think the question might better be stated "Did John McCain support the Republican party enough?" He played the maverick too long and thwarted his party too many times. Too many conservatives had to hold their nose to vote for him.
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RE: Did the Republican Party support John McCain enough? - 11/6/2008 9:18:14 PM
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iluvatar
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ORIGINAL: phreddy
I think the question might better be stated "Did John McCain support the Republican party enough?" He played the maverick too long and thwarted his party too many times. Too many conservatives had to hold their nose to vote for him.
But he lost because the center went to Obama. Nobody believed that he was a "maverick" anymore.
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