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Church Attacked during Sunday service - 11/13/2008 7:23:59 PM
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This happened last weekend here in America. i am asking that we start a national day of prayer to protect God's house and an end to this homosexual movement in America. I do not condemn anyone we all sin, but I do condemn the sin they commit.
Homosexual activists recently attacked a Michigan church during its
worship service.
The attack occurred at Mount Hope Church in Lansing, Michigan, by a
group of self-described homosexual anarchists called "Bash Back!"
Susan Fani of the Catholic League describes what happened.
"Outside they were chanting 'Jesus was a homo' on a megaphone. They
were beating on buckets, presumably to drown out what the pastor was
saying inside the church, and carrying an upside-down pink cross,"
she explains. "They set off the fire alarm. They unfurled this big
banner because they apparently were hiding in an unused part of the
church, like the balcony area."
A Catholic League article also notes the "gay fascists" stormed the
pulpit and shouted obscenities at church members. The protesters
carried a banner that read, "It's okay to be gay! Bash Back!"
Fani contends the group's activities were illegal. "The police did
show up and, as far as we can tell, no one was arrested, which we
also don't understand because apparently most of the 30 or so people
in this group fled before the police got there, but some were still
there," she adds.
President of the Catholic League Bill Donahue laments the refusal of
the biased, mainstream media to report on what he calls one of the
most disturbing events this year. "If an organized group of gay
bashers stormed a gay church, there is not a single sentient person
in the United States who wouldn't know about it."
The league is contacting Mike Cox, Michigan's attorney general, for
an investigation.
http://supportsacramento.org
< Message edited by USCOC_Chaplain -- 11/14/2008 3:39:38 AM >
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RE: Church Attacked during Sunday service - 11/13/2008 7:26:53 PM
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Mistyped...
I do not condemn any one for their sins, but I do condemn sin and it's rule over anyone.
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RE: Church Attacked during Sunday service - 11/13/2008 7:42:14 PM
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jbow
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That is horrible... but what to do? Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to take them by the scruff of the neck and toss them out. The early church suffered persecution for their faith. but it came from government and established powers... not from criminals. I see a clear difference between a criminal assult and persecution for the faith. I think they should defend themselves. I could be wrong... I could be back editing later but for now...
pfffft.
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RE: Church Attacked during Sunday service - 11/13/2008 10:10:56 PM
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Perhaps there needs to be some intercessory prayers during the services. If any would show up the pastor should stop the service and get the congregation to start praying in earnest. It is spiritual warfare.
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RE: Church Attacked during Sunday service - 11/13/2008 10:41:16 PM
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I say hit 'em with the Gospel. Lay hands on them, pray for them, sprinkle holy water on 'em, whatever. They're sinners in God's house. We have no reason to fear them. This is a defining moment for the church in America. God is about to separate the wheat from the chaff, and if we stand firm and stay faithful, the body of Christ will be stronger. If we are weak and compromise our faith for safety and political expediency, God's judgement will be rightly on us.
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RE: Church Attacked during Sunday service - 11/13/2008 11:47:58 PM
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At the end of the day our Heavenly Father is the one in control.
The wicked draw the sword and bend the bow to bring down the poor and needy, to slay those whose ways are upright. But their swords will pierce their own hearts,and their bows will be broken. Psalms 37:14-15
Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," Romans 12:19
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RE: Church Attacked during Sunday service - 11/14/2008 10:13:20 AM
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It is not wicked, nor revengful to defend and protect, in this case the church, during worship. Remember what Christ did to the money changers in the temple.
If this were to happen in my church, trust me, they would have benn 'escorted' out promptly. Of course, an invitation would be given to sit down and hear the gospel. But upon not complying, they would be shown the door. 
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RE: Church Attacked during Sunday service - 11/14/2008 10:36:40 AM
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rcjames
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I supppose we should go to Scripture as to how someone should be treated who is not using the Church for the intended purpose;
(Joh 2:14) And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
(Joh 2:15) And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
Any group that comes into my Church being disruptive will most likely get disrupted.
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RE: Church Attacked during Sunday service - 11/14/2008 10:53:07 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: USCOC_Chaplain
This happened last weekend here in America. i am asking that we start a national day of prayer to protect God's house and an end to this homosexual movement in America. I do not condemn anyone we all sin, but I do condemn the sin they commit.
Homosexual activists recently attacked a Michigan church during its
worship service.
http://supportsacramento.org
Now that is a shame. Do we now need bouncers in church?
Look at the picture on there site... who ever thought there were transgender/queer extremists?
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Bash Back! formed in 2007 with a small group of Radical Transfolk, Queers and Allies organizing against the Republican National Convention. In April of 2008 over 100 radical Trans/Queer/Allied folk met in Chicago to formulate plans against the RNC/DNC and to start a long lasting network. Anyone who agrees with the Points of Unity can start a Bash Back! Chapter.
POINTS OF UNITY
Members of Bash Back! must agree to:
1. Fight for liberation. Nothing more, nothing less. State recognition in the form of oppressive institutions such as marriage and militarism are not steps toward liberation but rather towards heteronormative assimilation.
2. A rejection of Capitalism, Imperialism, and all forms of State power.
3. Actively oppose oppression both in and out of the “movement.” All oppressive behavior is not to be tolerated.
4. Respect a diversity of tactics in the struggle for liberation. Do not solely condemn an action on the grounds that the State deems it to be illegal.
Bash Back LINK
Here is what they had to say about the Mount Hope Church:
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The Mount Hope Church is a deplorable, anti-queer mega-church in
Lansing, Michigan. The church works to institutionalize transphobia and
homophobia through several repulsive projects including organized “ex-gay”
conferences and so-called “hell houses”, which depict queers, trannies and
womyn who seek abortions as the horrors. Mt. Hope is complicit in the repression of queers in Michigan and beyond.
Source LINK
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RE: Church Attacked during Sunday service - 11/14/2008 11:01:47 AM
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Its funny how in the Homosexuality OST, people are jumping to attack the old lady for daring to show up at a protest. But the same people are silent when it comes to this group invading a church to cause trouble.
Can anyone say double standard? Let me guess, this church "deserved" this to happen because of somethign they did/said. Yea...
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RE: Church Attacked during Sunday service - 11/14/2008 1:35:06 PM
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quote:
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Its funny how in the Homosexuality OST, people are jumping to attack the old lady for daring to show up at a protest. But the same people are silent when it comes to this group invading a church to cause trouble.
Can anyone say double standard? Let me guess, this church "deserved" this to happen because of somethign they did/said. Yea...
What they did was wrong. They should be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. They have no right to disrupt a chruch service.
It's funny how we don't see those who defend grandma's right to free speech aren't here defending this group's right to free speech. If you only defend free speach you agree with, you're not defending free speach, you're defending your POV.
Can anyone say double standard?
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RE: Church Attacked during Sunday service - 11/14/2008 2:13:11 PM
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Zhi
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Free speech doesn't apply in private businesses, organizations, homes, etc, though. It only applies to public speech. I cannot say whatever I want at work and not expect repercussions. I cannot be loud and obnoxious in a restaurant and expect not to get arrested.
Also, yelling "fire" in a crowded establishment, and pulling fire alarms, has been repeatedly proven in court to not be considered "free speech" due to the fact that it endangers the people in the establishment. Trespassing is also illegal.
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RE: Church Attacked during Sunday service - 11/14/2008 4:45:17 PM
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Jhud
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Free speech doesn't apply in private businesses, organizations, homes, etc, though. It only applies to public speech. I cannot say whatever I want at work and not expect repercussions. I cannot be loud and obnoxious in a restaurant and expect not to get arrested.
Also, yelling "fire" in a crowded establishment, and pulling fire alarms, has been repeatedly proven in court to not be considered "free speech" due to the fact that it endangers the people in the establishment. Trespassing is also illegal.
Exactly; protesting a public protest and disrupting a constitutionally protected religious service in a private building are completely different things, and the left's inability to discern one from the other demonstrates how little they care about or understand our constitutional freedoms.
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RE: Church Attacked during Sunday service - 11/14/2008 8:56:20 PM
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quote:
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Free speech doesn't apply in private businesses, organizations, homes, etc, though. It only applies to public speech. I cannot say whatever I want at work and not expect repercussions. I cannot be loud and obnoxious in a restaurant and expect not to get arrested.
Also, yelling "fire" in a crowded establishment, and pulling fire alarms, has been repeatedly proven in court to not be considered "free speech" due to the fact that it endangers the people in the establishment. Trespassing is also illegal.
Exactly; protesting a public protest and disrupting a constitutionally protected religious service in a private building are completely different things, and the left's inability to discern one from the other demonstrates how little they care about or understand our constitutional freedoms.
Oh, they understand them, I think. They just don't value them or see the need to abide by them. They were hoping for a victory here with Prop 8, after which they were planning to agressively sue and harass churches and institutions that did not acquiesce to their will. Now, with their defeat, any pretense that they care about the constitution is out the window.
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RE: Church Attacked during Sunday service - 11/15/2008 12:02:34 AM
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It's worth pointing out that "bash back," the group that did this, is no where near the mainstream amongst gay organizations. Yeah they hold protests like this, but they also protested Gay Pride events for crying out loud. They basically protest EVERYTHING, gay or straight, that doesn't fit into their narrow political agenda. Yet they do this one thing and suddenly they are representative of the hatred and sinful nature of homosexuals everywhere, as well as the hypocrisy of "the left" to boot.
Give me a break.
Grouping them together with all homosexuals as a vague "they," as if they all represent one will, is as clueless as doing the same with Rev Phelp's ilk and all evangelicals (and there were only 30 of them at the protest, in case you didn't notice, so it's not as if they are wide spread).
Although, I can see why some on the right are delighted with them, simply because by doing stuff like this they do more damage to the cause of gay rights than anything.
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RE: Church Attacked during Sunday service - 11/15/2008 1:26:47 PM
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Well at least that church could say they got a whole lot of sinners in their door,, probly the only time that many people in need of salvation darkned the door at one time. I woudl have turned it into some kind of spiritual preaching experience.
It reminds me of the fracas that happened in Pauls' day.. remember when the people got so mad they wanted to run him out.. or even with Jesus, Jesus said stuff that was too hard for the peopel and they wanted to run him out of town, or throw him over the edge of a cliff or something, but he got away.
I think America needs more of this. Over in India, Christians are getting treated FAR WORSE. getting killed, houses burned, all kinds of stuff, RIGHT NOW. it is far more terrifying to live there.. so maybe it is our turn.
the end result - the christians being persecuted in other countries are counting IT HONORABLE and grateful to suffer shame for His name... and they also say that they are STRONGER for it. You can hear such stories when you hear missionaries give an account of it.. I sometimes hear it on Moody Bible Radio, which most or all of you can probably get in your town/city (or a Moody affiliate).
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RE: Church Attacked during Sunday service - 11/15/2008 1:39:16 PM
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It's funny how we don't see those who defend grandma's right to free speech aren't here defending this group's right to free speech. If you only defend free speach you agree with, you're not defending free speach, you're defending your POV.
The group has a right to get a permit and hold a protest at a local park. I guess you believe it would be appropriate for Fred Phelp's group to invade/disrupt a service at a gay church?
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RE: Church Attacked during Sunday service - 11/15/2008 5:50:14 PM
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quote:
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It's funny how we don't see those who defend grandma's right to free speech aren't here defending this group's right to free speech. If you only defend free speach you agree with, you're not defending free speach, you're defending your POV.
The group has a right to get a permit and hold a protest at a local park. I guess you believe it would be appropriate for Fred Phelp's group to invade/disrupt a service at a gay church?
No I do NOT! You must have missed the first paragraph of the post you quoted from. Here it is again for you to read:
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What they did was wrong. They should be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. They have no right to disrupt a chruch service.
They are a fringe group not representative of gays. Much like Phelps' group is not representative of Christians. I condemn both groups.
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